Before the Big Bang? (Origins)

by David Turell , Monday, July 07, 2014, 05:40 (3575 days ago) @ dhw
edited by David Turell, Monday, July 07, 2014, 05:47

Dhw: ...there is no support whatsoever for our shared belief in energy as an eternal cause - let alone your belief that eternal energy is conscious.-Not true. The atheistic scientists always point to a virtual quantum vacuum from wich all sprung by a 'perturbation', so it is never something from nothing, and by inference, eternal. Look at Krauss and Stenger.
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> DAVID: For your further education into the scientific society, it is not cool to bring up any sniff of deity.-> dhw: If you think Davies is emphatically presenting the case for the opposite of what he really believes, why refer us to this article? Why not give us a quote that really does support you? And why do you now ask us to read an article by a chemist expressing his doubts about macroevolution-His doubts about macroevoluiton bring out my point, and the contact I mentioned. It is not cool to have the doubts expressed. Davies is being careful. As I pointd out, he smells like a closet diest, but doesn't dare say so, as shown by many commentaries I have read and what I experienced myself by the contact (mentioned inthge lat post) I received.-> dhw: It was you who directed us towards the quantum theory of the origin of the universe, and your version demands a “before”, which Davies rejects. I also believe in a “before”, so perhaps after this failure you can stick to the subject and find some genuine support from the quantum community.-I can't because they are afraid to voice it.-Look at this statement from Davies:
"Nevertheless, cosmologists have not explained the origin of the universe by the simple expedient of abolishing any preceding epoch. After all, why should time and space have suddenly “switched on”? One line of reasoning is that this spontaneous origination of time and space is a natural consequence of quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics is the branch of physics that applies to atoms and subatomic particles, and it is characterized by Werner Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, according to which sudden and unpredictable fluctuations occur in all observable quantities. Quantum fluctuations are not caused by anything -- they are genuinely spontaneous and intrinsic to nature at its deepest level." -He is admitting there was a quantum epoch 'before'.