An inventive mechanism (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, September 10, 2014, 19:32 (3509 days ago) @ dhw

Six hypotheses concerning evolution: 1) Evolution happened through innovations caused by random mutations; 2) Evolution didn't happen: God made every species independently at the same time; 3) Evolution didn't happen: but God made every species separately at different times; 4) Evolution happened: God preprogrammed the first cells to pass on every stage of it; 5) Evolution happened: God directed it through innovations, as he inserted sequences of new computer programmes into different existing cell communities; 6) Evolution happened through innovations created by intelligent cell communities, whose intelligence may or may not have been created by a God.
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> DHW If life depends on other life in order to exist, and this requires communication and planning between cells etc., then cells must be able to communicate and plan. In that case, 6 remains extremely relevant. -> TONY: Life depends on life. True. 
> Life depends on cellular communication. True.
> Cellular communication does NOT mean cellular planning, however, and that communication is very, very limited.
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> dhw: That is David's argument too. All three hypotheses remain speculation.-Your cell planning is simply wild speculation, because you continue to ignore the complex specificity of life, as Tony and I point out. Cells cannot plan for major change. Look at the whale series, giant changes requiring major engineering. Only advanced intelligence can. This is one of the major reasons I became a theist.-> dhw:Concept 3, of course, excludes evolution. I do hope David will explain to you why he is so against it.-I don't follow the Bible. God is mentally powerful enough to not need 3.-> dhw:If 90% of species are killed off by a new environment, maybe those that survive do so because their inventive mechanism is able not only to adapt to it but also to exploit it.-That has happened. The Permian extinction killed off 90%, but life came back and diversified again. Doesn't tell us how.