An inventive mechanism (Evolution)

by dhw, Friday, September 26, 2014, 12:49 (3493 days ago) @ David Turell
edited by dhw, Friday, September 26, 2014, 13:01

dhw; That has always been the difference between us: your automatic and my autonomous, and you continue to climb on and off your own evolutionary picket fence. [...] In your latest post, you have at least incorporated it as a third possibility (previously, you were confined to two: preprogramming versus God dabbling). However, you now define it as: “inventive mechanism, which is a variation of pre-programming and can create the new complex species by analysis and planning, following given guidelines.” And you think my concept is fuzzy! 

DAVID: I agree I'm fuzzy. I don't know what I don't know. The research hasn't made God's method of evolution obvious to me, and I may never get a clear answer.-None of us know. We can only look for explanations that make sense to us. But you continue to fuzz up my hypothesis with your next responseAVID: This is an approach as one of the three I can accept sort of. Such a mechanism must have some guiding instructions as to the changes to adapt to new conditions.-“Guiding instructions as to the changes...” means preprogramming, i.e. your God anticipating every single environmental change and response throughout the history of life. Totally opposed to my hypothesis! No preprogramming, no instructions, no guidelines. An autonomous, inventive intelligence, possibly created by your God. How it might work is fuzzy, but the concept itself is not.-DAVID: At least, as I interpreted your initial intelligent cell hypothesis, you are now clear about the supremacy of the genome over the cells, which are in general automatic factories, that have some small feedback to the genome. -The genome is part of the cell. Generally the Turell organs work automatically and feed back to the intelligent, inventive mechanism inside the Turell head. Does that make you an automatic factory? The intelligent cell hypothesis does not specify the location of the mechanism, but if you say it's in the genome, that's fine with me. It doesn't make the slightest difference to the hypothesis itself (see below, re multicellularity).
 
DAVID: The DNA is already in recent research showing another layer of coding, but nothing so far that suggests how speciation is created. We don't know how phenotype is created. We are still at the level of understanding the production of protein and alterations in that production, nothing more!-Agreed. We don't know how. That's why we offer hypotheses.
 
DAVID (under “Very early multicellularity”)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140924211827.htm-QUOTE: “The discovery sheds light on how and when solo cells began to cooperate with other cells to make a single, cohesive life form.” -Cooperation between cells (all hail, Lynn Margulis!) lies at the heart of the hypothesis concerning evolutionary innovations. These can only come about through intelligent communication, cell to cell or genome to genome if you like. Every single one preprogrammed 3.7 billion years ago, or personally manipulated by your God? If not, and since we dismiss random mutations, there has to be an autonomous, intelligent, inventive mechanism guiding the cells. No more fuzz, please!