Evidence for pattern development; mulling (Introduction)

by David Turell , Sunday, December 07, 2014, 01:22 (3430 days ago) @ dhw

DHW: I realize that we are simply going over the same ground again and again. It is of course right and proper that you interpret your God as you see fit,.... I remain fully aware of the problems associated with ALL the different hypotheses. None of us know any of the answers, and that is why there is no consensus, but unless anyone else has a new angle from which to approach these two subjects...... perhaps it might be better to round this discussion off.-I had arrived at the same conclusion prior to my last post. As you can see by the new posts I've added I am still looking the scientific outlets and trying to present new findings and new thoughts. My intent upon being invited to this website was to challenge the concepts of atheism and agnosticism as negative approaches to the issue of "why is there anything", Leibniz famous question. I maintain there must be something as a cause. You don't get something for nothing. So I intend to continue the battles from my foundational viewpoint, game on!-As a description by another person who shifted from non-belief to belief, in exactly the same manner as I did, look at the following:-http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/religion-and-intelligent-design-theory/-Although I am not sure, I think this William J. Murray is the son of the famous atheist, Madalyn O'Hare Murray. I was drawn to ID because of the points raised, and the open discussion I found there. They are trying for answers just as I am. I have come to believe in God in the form of a universal consciousness (shades of Einstein and Spinoza). I have taken the leap of faith, based on reaching a conclusion 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. We all know absolute proof is not achievable. - As a statement to everyone following this site: I know that atheists are totally negative in their approach, especially the vociferous ones like Coyne, Dawkins, Stenger, Myers, Dennett, etc. Agnostics claim to be trying to figure it out. And I think they can be honestly trying, but I sense there is an underlying negativity in their thought pattern. dhw is very honest in his description of his position, and I think he is just as stubborn as I am in coming to the battle. It really shouldn't b e viewed as a battle, but as an honest discussion to arrive at logical conclusions. I wish others would join in. Please do.