Dualism (Identity)

by Balance_Maintained @, U.S.A., Wednesday, April 01, 2015, 01:40 (3284 days ago) @ David Turell


> > Tony:First, the analogy I made was meant for humans. Yet, it is just as applicable to spirit creatures. At least according to the bible, Angels (spirit creatures) are similar to humans in almost every respect, except for the nature of the composition of their bodies. They are conscious, have emotions, work, are creative, feel lust, envy, jealousy, even pride. When Christ was resurrected to a spiritual form, he was no longer dead. He was every bit as alive as you or I, and in fact more so in some ways. The major difference was the form of life. When he was dead, he was dead. They still follow the same basic principles that we do. They are comprised of information, energy, some form of body, and presumably, some analog to the brain. This is all very well documented throughout the bible. Angels that grew lustful and came down to earth; Jacob wrestled with an angel; and angels(demons) will be killed according to the book of Revelations. If spirit creatures were dead, how could they be killed?
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>David: I consider my physical body a vessel for my soul/consciousness. Angels have a soul/consciousness but no vessel? I've tried to follow the discussion. but it is confusing. In your way of thinking, are there souls in heaven at the present time? Do they represent folks who were alive on Earth?-No and No. Soul, in Hebrew, literally meant the composite life form. Hence the reason it says both humans and animals ARE souls, not that they HAVE souls. It also states humans and animals both have the same fate when they die. So unless you think all dogs(and all other creatures) go to heaven, it follows that people do not either. They share the same fate. Death and decomposition. The soul dies. There is no immortal soul. -Let me try to clarify by asking a few simple question? Do humans and animals have the same form? Are they both conscious? -Angels HAVE a form, a vessel, but like animals, their form is different from humans. If their vessel is destroyed, they die. Yes, Angels can die. If their spiritual body is destroyed, they die. If they alter their form to a physical human form, and the physical body is destroyed, they die.

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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.


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