Current science; fraudulent thinking (Introduction)

by dhw, Friday, May 22, 2015, 08:30 (3252 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: If the Big Bang theory is true, of course OUR time and space began with it, but that does not mean there was NO time or space before the Big Bang. You have ignored the first part of my post, and so I have repeated it. According to my concept of time, you cannot have a before-the-BB if time began with the BB. There is of course a common view that the universe came into being ex nihilo, which would confirm your belief that there was no time beforehand, but would run contrary to your belief that there was pre-existing matter and energy. No doubt that is why you try to wriggle out of the paradox by inserting the word “timeless”. Perhaps it would help if you would let us have your definition of time.-DAVID: Time as we know it exists in this universe. But I can still conceive of a timeless pre-existing energy we call God. We still gave to remember we got the universe from something.-Of course time as we know it exists in this universe. But you insist that time itself began with this universe, while you simultaneously insist that something preceded this universe. (The contradiction is not resolved by juggling with the word “timeless”, which can mean independent of time or unaffected by time.) If the universe came from something, that something must have existed BEFORE the universe, and my concept of time is a movement from before to now to after. What is your concept of time?