Brain complexity: circadian controls (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, October 03, 2015, 15:22 (3120 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: My post plus all the quotes was a response to your insistence that these molecules are machines and are not possessed of any kind of “intelligence”.-Of course there is 'intelligence'. You refuse to accept that these molecules have the ability to follow intelligent information which dictates their activity, intelligent information which is in the codes and modifying layers of the genome of each cell.-
> dhw:But “research into the biochemistry of bacteria” has gone beyond studying the biochemistry. That is the point that you refuse to recognize.-I don't know what you are attempting to describe: " has gone beyond studying the biochemistry". I read the articles. All they can study is the biochemistry and then they create theories that suppose how that information creates life with a mental background. They and I both use 'mind', but they suppose it at a cellular level and I place it higher as God-given intelligent information. Your quotes illustrate exactly what I mean:- 
> QUOTE: “We discover that our highest capacities — our thinking, our formulation of goals and plans, our strivings and passions, our sense of well-being and illness — are objectively imaged in our own biological organism right down to the molecular activity of our cells, as also in the cells of every other living creature.”
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> QUOTE: “The upshot is that organisms are not machines and it is a mistake to think of them as if they were."
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> QUOTE: “each of the parts must have the ability to entertain an idea, i.e. mind." 
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> DAVID: If not invented by chance, how did this happen? Intelligence is the only viable answer.
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> dhw: The disagreement between us here is not over chance versus design but over the question whether bacteria and other cells/cell communities are machines or intelligent beings.-The scientists you quote, supplied to you by me, can be refuted by Michael Egnor and many others who are on my side of the 50/50 coin toss.