Krauss dissed again; in debate with Holder (Introduction)

by David Turell , Sunday, October 16, 2016, 15:32 (2751 days ago) @ David Turell

Rodney Holder is an astrophysicist and formerly an Episcopal priest who takes on Krauss in a recorded debate:

https://youtu.be/lqv92F2me9Q

In print summary: https://winteryknight.com/2016/10/11/lawrence-krauss-debates-a-universe-from-nothing-wi...

Krauss:
the nothing that preceded the universe is “no space, no time, no universe”
theists say that God is responsible for creating the universe out of this nothing
but the laws of nature can create the universe uncaused out of nothing

Holder:
Krauss sometimes writes that the nothing is really a quantum vacuum, but that is not nothing
He even acknowledges in his book that a quantum vacuum is not nothing
He thinks that the nothing has properties, even though it has no being
It has the property of being unstable
It has the property of being acted on by quantum fields
It has the property of being acted on by gravity

Krauss:
But nothing can have the potential to do things inside it
For example suppose you have an electron, which is not nothing
If it jumps from one level to another, it emits light
There was no potential for the light in the electron, but it was there as part of atomic structure

Holder:
But in cases like that, there is something physical that has the potential

Krauss:
Well, how did God makes the universe then if it had no potential?

Holder:
God existed, and the potential for creating the universe in himself

Holder:
Yes, in principle, the multiverse would be scientific if you could test it through other theories like inflationary theory
There are a lot of speculations about multiverse theory, but no evidence from predictions that were validated in the lab

Krauss:
“I agree completely with everything you just said”

Brierley:
Roger Penrose agrees with Holder that the multiverse theory is too speculative
(To Holder) Isn’t the multiverse theory better than positing a completely different kind of being, which is God?

Holder:
The multiverse theory is extremely speculative
Even if the multiverse were true, you would still need to explain the multiverse

Comment: The points I have made. The universe did not come from nothing. What Krauss uses is something.