A new model for building AI (Humans)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Monday, November 22, 2010, 01:11 (4906 days ago) @ David Turell

MATT: Yet, you forget the most prescient analysis from Kurzweil; AI may become superfluous because it will soon be possible to extent human consciousness with that of the mechanical...think of processors and computer memory installed within the human brain!!! This scenario ... in my mind more probable ... and what do you think of human consciousness then?
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> > MATT: If you see the movie AI ... and I hope you do ... watch how your emotions react to the 'lost child' of the story. 
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> Good luck with AI. the following article indicates the size of the task:
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> http://news.cnet.com/8301-27083_3-20023112-247.html-No not at all; it might not be necessary to have to emulate even THAT many connections. We can already emulate cat brains--I think either dhw or George provided a link for that this summer. And as I stated earlier, quantum computing will make this problem much more tractable. Like I said before, a quantum computer will be able to factor a number of the size 2^100 in one computational step. (The conjecture is 'will be' because at the moment they can only maintain a computational state long enough to find all the primes under 16.) With current computers it takes 2^n steps to factor a large prime. Meaning in practical terms the sun will die before the computer finished. So--quantum computing eliminates boundaries; the current constraint for a number as big as 150 Trillion (as the article states) is memory. However, this is another area where quantum computers will not have such a constraint; the 'qubits' are memory themselves. -And before you tell me that it's all a "pipe dream" Quantum computing was such a thing in 1993. Now we have working machines; By 2025 we'll have our first "ENIAC" and then some law similar to Moore's takes over. Though it will be MUCH faster than Moore's. To quote Kurzweil, "We're entering an exponential age." With quantum computing there's no longer a heat or transistor barrier that has stifled processor speeds starting in 2002. -So again; the problem if you want to fully model the human brain is 150 Trillion. A quantum computer won't be restricted by any conventional problems as we have now, so again--if it will be possible, it will be here. -Still, a much simpler means of countering an AI aspiration right now, David, has nothing to do with biology and everything to do with practicality: How do you write an equation that solves everything? -I have ready counters for that question, but we'll worry about that another time. For now, just note, that we are soon reaching an epoch where the kinds of problems we can use computers for are only going to be limited by the ingenuity of the programmers, and it will have nothing at all to do with the complexity of the problems. If AI is intractable, it will only be because of a lack of human ingenuity and not because of the hardware it sits on.

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