Prokaryote vs, Eukaryote cells (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Thursday, May 07, 2015, 02:16 (3269 days ago)

Bacteria are eukaryotes, no nucleus. Eukaryotes are much more complex and have a nucleus. Just how did the change occur?:-http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/05/at_the_dawn_of095801.html-
"I am not telling you this to give you a short course in cell biology, but to illustrate how different the cell types are. The details I have described represent some of the white spaces in the evolutionary story that must be accounted for if evolution by undirected processes is true. Stories exist for how mitochondria and chloroplasts came to be present in eukaryotic cells -- they mainly involve the incorporation of ancient bacteria into the incipient eukaryotic cell. The proposed process has been given the name endosymbiosis. There is no single proposed mechanism for the evolution of the nucleus or the other structures I have named. -"I deliberately call such evolutionary accounts "stories." To become a eukaryote like C. reinhardtii involves enormous changes in cell organization that affect every aspect of cellular life. Most of these structures are common to eukaryotic cells, and most are membrane-bound. Membranes mean there must be transport mechanisms in or out of each compartment. DNA replication and division becomes more complicated because the nuclear membrane must break down and reform at each division. Nuclear genes have somehow come to specify proteins necessary for mitochondrial function; they must be transcribed, the RNA exported to the cytoplasm, made into protein, and then the proteins must be transported into the mitochondrion. Specific problems associated with the replication of chromosomes versus circular DNA as in bacteria have to solved. There are more differences to be dealt with than I can cover -- exons and introns, and the separation of mRNA production in the nucleus from protein synthesis in the cytoplasm, just to name two. All of these problems must be solved somehow if the story of undirected evolution is true.-"How many new steps were needed to accomplish all this? Even if it happened one organelle at a time, that it happened at all is a wonder. And all this had to happen before the appearance of multicellular animals, since animals and plants have these structures in common.-"These are some of the things Darwin didn't know, but now we do. I wonder what Darwin would have said if he had known these details."

Prokaryote vs, Eukaryote cells

by Balance_Maintained @, U.S.A., Thursday, May 07, 2015, 14:34 (3269 days ago) @ David Turell

I particularly appreciated the use of the word 'stories' in the article. It ecapsulates much of what I have been saying all along. The vast majority of evolutionary theory is just that, stories that rise and fall in popularity, with little or no corroborating evidence.

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Prokaryote vs, Eukaryote cells

by David Turell @, Thursday, May 07, 2015, 15:24 (3269 days ago) @ Balance_Maintained

Tony: I particularly appreciated the use of the word 'stories' in the article. It ecapsulates much of what I have been saying all along. The vast majority of evolutionary theory is just that, stories that rise and fall in popularity, with little or no corroborating evidence.-I presented the article to show how much change there has to be to go from prokaryote to eukaryote. To me it is equivalent to the Cambrian explosion. It is a total and complex reorganization of functioning parts, more complex than going from a human worker car factory to an automated car factory.

Prokaryote vs, Eukaryote cells

by Balance_Maintained @, U.S.A., Thursday, May 07, 2015, 16:05 (3269 days ago) @ David Turell

Tony: I particularly appreciated the use of the word 'stories' in the article. It ecapsulates much of what I have been saying all along. The vast majority of evolutionary theory is just that, stories that rise and fall in popularity, with little or no corroborating evidence.
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>David: I presented the article to show how much change there has to be to go from prokaryote to eukaryote. To me it is equivalent to the Cambrian explosion. It is a total and complex reorganization of functioning parts, more complex than going from a human worker car factory to an automated car factory.-Absolutely, and this is for a single cell, many, many orders of magnitude less complex than the simplest multicellular creature.

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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.

Prokaryote vs. Eukaryote cells: Koonin opines

by David Turell @, Thursday, October 15, 2015, 14:15 (3108 days ago) @ David Turell

Eugene Koonin's new think piece on how eukaryotes arrived:-http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7007/13/84-"The origin of eukaryotes is one of the hardest problems in evolutionary biology and sometimes raises the ominous specter of irreducible complexity. Reconstruction of the gene repertoire of the last eukaryotic common ancestor (LECA) has revealed a highly complex organism with a variety of advanced features but no detectable evolutionary intermediates to explain their origin. Recently, however, genome analysis of diverse archaea led to the discovery of apparent ancestral versions of several signature eukaryotic systems, such as the actin cytoskeleton and the ubiquitin network, that are scattered among archaea. These findings inspired the hypothesis that the archaeal ancestor of eukaryotes was an unusually complex form with an elaborate intracellular organization. The latest striking discovery made by deep metagenomic sequencing vindicates this hypothesis by showing that in phylogenetic trees eukaryotes fall within a newly identified archaeal group, the Lokiarchaeota, which combine several eukaryotic signatures previously identified in different archaea. The discovery of complex archaea that are the closest living relatives of eukaryotes is most compatible with the symbiogenetic scenario for eukaryogenesis.-***-"A eukaryotic cell is a strikingly complex macromolecular aggregate by any account, but specifically when compared with archaeal and bacterial cells. To begin with, a typical eukaryotic cell has a three to four orders of magnitude larger volume than most bacteria and archaea [3]-[5]. This size difference translates into a difference in the physical principles of cell functioning: unlike most bacteria and archaea in which proteins, nucleic acids and small molecules diffuse more or less freely, the intracellular space in eukaryotes is fully compartmentalized so that molecules are distributed through specialized transport mechanisms [6], [7]. The compartmentalization and transport are supported by the elaborate system of intracellular membranes which includes the membrane of the eponymous eukaryotic organelle, the nucleus, and by an advanced cytoskeleton that consists of actin filaments and tubulin microtubules and includes numerous additional, dedicated proteins. Crucially, the great majority of eukaryotes possess the power-producing organelles, the mitochondria or their derivatives, that are now commonly accepted to have evolved from ?-proteobacteria by endosymbiosis [8], [9]. Although some unicellular eukaryotes lack mitochondria, evolutionary reconstructions clearly point to secondary loss in all amitochondrial groups [10], [11]. -"Thus, eukaryotes show a qualitatively different level of cellular organization from that of archaea and bacteria, and there are no detectable evolutionary intermediates. Comparative analysis of eukaryotic cells and genomes indicates that the signature advanced functional systems of the eukaryotic cells were already present in the last eukaryotic common ancestor (LECA). These ancestral features include the actin and tubulin-based forms of cytoskeleton, the nuclear pore, the spliceosome, and the ubiquitin signaling network, to mention only several aspects of the inherent organizational complexity of eukaryotic cells [12]-[16]. The emergence of these fundamental facets of advanced cellular organization presents a challenge of such scale that Darwin's famous scenario for the evolution of the eye looks like a straightforward solution to an easy problem. To some, the enigma of eukaryogenesis can appear so perplexing that the infamous concept of ‘irreducible complexity' has sneaked into the scientific mainstream [17], although debunking of these ideas has not been long in coming [18]. Below I discuss the recent advances in evolutionary genomics that make the origin of eukaryotes much less mysterious than it appeared even recently." (my bold)-Comment: Lots of hope to save Darwin in his writings:-"What next? Does Loki bridge archaea and eukaryotes as stated in the title of the article by Ettema and colleagues? I think this is still only a halfway bridge. A lot of difficult work remains to be done to join the two banks. First, Loki certainly is not the archaeal ancestor of eukaryotes: that life form existed over a billion years ago. It is entirely possible and actually likely that even closer relatives of eukaryotic ancestors may be discovered, perhaps with an even greater organizational complexity. Loki is only the beginning of the quest for those ancestors, by no means the end. However, further, even possibly exhaustive characterization of archaeal (and bacterial) diversity by methods of metagenomics and single cell genomics is the easy part of the deal. The challenge lies in the investigation of the biology of these organisms. Although we can never know what precisely happened more than a billion years ago, to me, demonstration of the archaeal-bacterial endosymbiosis in the laboratory would mean the completion of the bridge."

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