Dying visions are n ot NDE's (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Tuesday, February 02, 2016, 15:10 (2977 days ago)

Deathbed visions have been known for centuries. Generally they are comforting for the dying patients who have them. A very long article describing:-http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/02/health/dreams-dying-deathbed-interpretation-delirium.html?emc=edit_th_20160202&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=60788861&_r=0-"For thousands of years, the dreams and visions of the dying have captivated cultures, which imbued them with sacred import. Anthropologists, theologians and sociologists have studied these so-called deathbed phenomena. They appear in medieval writings and Renaissance paintings, in Shakespearean works and set pieces from 19th-century American and British novels, particularly by Dickens. One of the most famous moments in film is the mysterious deathbed murmur in “Citizen Kane”: “Rosebud!”-"Even the law reveres a dying person's final words, allowing them to be admitted as evidence in an unusual exception to hearsay rules.-"In the modern medical world, such experiences have been noted by psychologists, social workers and nurses. But doctors tend to give them a wide berth because “we don't know what the hell they are,” said Dr. Timothy E. Quill, an expert on palliative care medicine at the University of Rochester Medical Center. Some researchers have surmised that patients and doctors avoid reporting these phenomena for fear of ridicule.-
***-"These events are distinct from “near-death experiences,” such as those recalled by people revived in intensive care units, said Pei C. Grant, the director of the research team. “These are people on a journey towards death, not people who just missed it.”-***-"For their primary study, published in The Journal of Palliative Medicine, the researchers conducted multiple interviews with 59 terminally ill patients admitted to acute care at Hospice Buffalo, a facility furnished in warm woods, with windows that frame views of fountains, gazebos and gardens. Nearly all the patients reported having had dreams or visions. They described the majority of their dreams as comforting. About one in every five was associated with distress, and the remainder felt neutral.-"The dreams and visions loosely sorted into categories: opportunities to engage with the deceased; loved ones “waiting;” unfinished business. Themes of love, given or withheld, coursed through the dreams, as did the need for resolution and even forgiveness. In their dreams, patients were reassured that they had been good parents, children and workers. They packed boxes, preparing for journeys, and, like Mr. Majors, often traveled with dear companions as guides. Although many patients said they rarely remembered their dreams, these they could not forget.-***-"The Hospice Buffalo researchers have found that these dreams offer comfort not only for the dying, but for their mourners."-Comment: Not NDE's. Comforting generally, 20% aren't, but very important phenomena. The very religious will say it is God's way of comforting before death.

Another veridical NDE

by David Turell @, Saturday, February 27, 2016, 14:43 (2952 days ago) @ David Turell

NDE's can be verified with third party evidence. Here is a case:-http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2016/02/26/imagine-heaven-n2124615/page/full-"After Carl was pronounced dead and revived he described his out of body experience to the doctor who revived him. As an unbeliever and a skeptic, the doctor began to pepper my friend Carl with questions. Carl responded with an extremely detailed account of what went on while the doctors were reviving him. In fact, he told them everything that happened between the time he was pronounced dead and the time he was revived.-"At one point during the account, Carl's doctor stopped him and said, “No, we didn't do that.” In other words, he vigorously denied the veracity of one specific aspect of Carl's report of the procedures used to bring him back to life. They argued back and forth for a few minutes until my friend Carl demanded in frustration, “Just go and check the records!”-"Carl's doctor retrieved the attending nurse's records, which provided a detailed overview of what the doctors did to bring him back to life. The notes on the clipboard showed that Carl's version of events was correct, and the doctor's version was wrong.-"As a reminder to my readers, Carl was dead at the time the disputed events occurred. Yet his account of what happened during those minutes was proved by external evidence to be more accurate than the doctor's recollection."-Comment: This story is like thousands of others, with proof that consciousness survives clinical death. In these cases the brain is shown not to be functional at all, due to lack of blood flow. With no pulse, no respiration and no sensory response, the patient is literally dead and is brought back by resuscitation, something I have done more than once. Dualism is given enormous evidence by these events.

Another veridical NDE

by dhw, Sunday, February 28, 2016, 13:40 (2951 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: NDE's can be verified with third party evidence. Here is a case:-http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2016/02/26/imagine-heaven-n2124615/page/full -David's comment: This story is like thousands of others, with proof that consciousness survives clinical death. In these cases the brain is shown not to be functional at all, due to lack of blood flow. With no pulse, no respiration and no sensory response, the patient is literally dead and is brought back by resuscitation, something I have done more than once. Dualism is given enormous evidence by these events.-Thank you for another intriguing example of NDE's providing verified information. This is a very important area of our discussions, as are other so-called psychic experiences that do the same, and I have yet to come across a convincing materialist explanation. Anyone out there with a theory?

Another veridical NDE

by David Turell @, Sunday, February 28, 2016, 15:38 (2951 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: Thank you for another intriguing example of NDE's providing verified information. This is a very important area of our discussions, as are other so-called psychic experiences that do the same, and I have yet to come across a convincing materialist explanation. Anyone out there with a theory? - The researchers suggest the brain is a radio receiver which suggests that dualism is correct and consciousness is disembodied.

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