dhw:Big brain evolution: comparing chimp and brain organoids (Evolution)

by David Turell , Sunday, March 03, 2019, 14:46 (1882 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: I know you say you cannot follow my logic, but if we start with the premise that the current result of evolution is according to Adler a difference in kind, that makes us special and can easily seen s God's goal. It is just a difference in a starting point of view.

dhw: You keep agreeing that you cannot follow your own logic, as in statements like: “I have no idea why God chose to evolve humans over time.” You keep forcing me to repeat the alternative logical hypotheses I have offered to your fixed and inexplicably combined beliefs that your God specially designed every life form, econiche, lifestyle and natural wonder in the history of life but that H. sapiens was his one and only goal: a) he didn’t know how to do it (so his powers are limited); b) the idea didn’t occur to him till late on in the process (not his one and only goal); c) he did not specially design every life form etc. but gave evolution free rein, though sometimes dabbling. You accept that they are all logical, but you reject them all, preferring to stick with the one set of hypotheses you yourself find inexplicable.

There are other ways to create a logical framework when asking why God did what He did in the way He achieved the result of human beings. Re-read your comment. I make the point that humans are so special they must be God's goal, because they really do not fit the pattern of what evolution created before they arrived. My approach hangs on that magnificent point of argument. And you didn't answer it .

DAVID: You can not explain God's methods either. We've covered all the possibilities, and there no conclusions, just guesses, angels on the heads of pins.

dhw: I have offered three logical alternatives to your illogical combination of purpose and method. Of course there are no conclusions but only guesses. That also applies to the existence of God. We can only speculate. You embrace logic in your design argument for God’s existence, but reject it in your argument that your God chose to spend 3.5+ billion years not designing the only thing he wanted to design.

Your possible explanations of God's methods are logical and only part of issues in which to be concerned, issues about results of the process. If evolution is, in Darwin terms, unguided, humans are a startling unexpected result. I try to encompass a holistic view of the issue, not just the method but the resultant outcome.