Asking of the Designer what we would of any other designer (The atheist delusion)

by whateverist , Sunday, July 31, 2011, 06:38 (4645 days ago) @ xeno6696

"There are formulations of God (Deism, especially what I term "radical" deism.) that wouldn't be challenged by a natural explanation, though I don't see the need to resort to them."-I agree on both points. Theists need not worry so much about the natural world -and- while you can reasonably embrace both science and a deity, what do we need the deity for?-"I developed what I can only say is a powerful insight; knowing isn't something that can be contained in words"-Yep, you can say a lot of things but you can't convey in words what it is to realize a thing without words. I'm convinced it is possible to recognize what is significant, urgent or possible at any moment without the use of any language, internally or inter-personally. Dogs do this all the time as do many other creatures who cannot express what it is they recognize in language. Their kind of knowing is more immediate. We have this capacity too but we tend to let it atrophy by relying too much on language. Too often I suspect people don't know what they think until they sound it out in words. By then of course what they think is filtered, limited and twisted by the language itself into a weak facsimile of the wordless realization they don't even recognize having experienced. Language is a mixed blessing. -You make me curious to go back and re-read some Nietzsche. On the topic of books I'd have to say Pirzig's "Zen and the Art of Motorcyle Maintenance" and Alan Watts' "The Wisdom of Insecurity" probably gave me the most to think about. But I also got a lot from reading e.e. cummings' "Six Non-lectures", James Hillman's "Re-visioning Psychology", and Vonnegut's "Cat's Cradle".