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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><p><a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=exploring-consciousness&amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt;">http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=exploring-consciousness&amp;#13;&amp;#...</a> &amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; Read the article. Don&amp;apos;t remember it, thank God, and don&amp;apos;t want to. I&amp;apos;ve read sciam for many years. This probably comes during the recent ultra-liberal politically correct phase, which  is now, glory be, reverting to the stellar mag it used to be. What a lot of yuck. Bees are conscious. Bees can be taught. Bees have a species-wide type of mind-web where the whole hive, a&amp;apos; la ants, thinks as one. Simple standard question: are bees aware they are aware? Do they approach the taste of their honey aesthetically, best vintage yet?&amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; &amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt;  Why did you point this article out? For fun or seriousness?-A good friend started stirring the pot with me about free will on Facebook... started looking for &amp;quot;emergent&amp;quot; in relation to &amp;quot;consciousness&amp;quot; to demonstrate that the standard reductionist approach was insufficient to explain consciousness--ie the mind is more than the sum of its parts.  -That article came up in the search and I figured I&amp;apos;d cross-post it.  -Approached holistically, it makes much sense that a hive of bees&amp;apos; activity corresponds to that of a single organism.  The general idea is that a complex pattern emerges from many simpler elements--to understand bees, you need to understand the whole, not just the individual workers.  Ant colonies are also considered &amp;quot;Superorganisms.&amp;quot;  I&amp;apos;m actually kinda shocked you seem revolted at the idea...-Though, I will point out that neuroscience is <em>definitely </em>moving towards the hive concept;  as I  said before, a research group at UNO is trying to answer the question computationally, &amp;quot;how big of a network do you need for the network to be &amp;quot;aware of itself?&amp;quot;  Chaos theory explains many systems that otherwise have eluded reductionist explanations;  I applaud any attempt that tries to apply it towards consciousness.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=exploring-consciousness-Read">http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=exploring-consciousness-Read</a> the article. Don&amp;apos;t remember it, thank God, and don&amp;apos;t want to. I&amp;apos;ve read sciam for many years. This probably comes during the recent ultra-liberal politically correct phase, which  is now, glory be, reverting to the stellar mag it used to be. What a lot of yuck. Bees are conscious. Bees can be taught. Bees have a species-wide type of mind-web where the whole hive, a&amp;apos; la ants, thinks as one. Simple standard question: are bees aware they are aware? Do they approach the taste of their honey aesthetically, best vintage yet?- Why did you point this article out? For fun or seriousness?</p>
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