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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new study looks at snowball Earth which occurred over 700 million years ago:</p>
<p><a href="https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/03/13/a-perfect-storm-of-fire-and-ice-may-have-led-to-snowball-earth/">https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/03/13/a-perfect-storm-of-fire-and-ice-may-have-led-to-...</a></p>
<p>Researchers have pinpointed the start of what’s known as the Sturtian snowball Earth event to about 717 million years ago — give or take a few 100,000 years. At around that time, a huge volcanic event devastated an area from present-day Alaska to Greenland. Coincidence?</p>
<p>Harvard professors Francis Macdonald and Robin Wordsworth thought not.</p>
<p>Geological and chemical studies of this region, known as the Franklin large igneous province, showed that volcanic rocks erupted through sulfur-rich sediments, which would have been pushed into the atmosphere during eruption as sulfur dioxide. When sulfur dioxide gets into the upper layers of the atmosphere, it’s very good at blocking solar radiation. The 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines, which shot about 10 million metric tons of sulfur into the air, reduced global temperatures about 1 degree Fahrenheit for a year.</p>
<p>Sulfur dioxide is most effective at blocking solar radiation if it gets past the tropopause, the boundary separating the troposphere and stratosphere. If it reaches this height, it’s less likely to be brought back down to earth in precipitation or mixed with other particles, extending its presence in the atmosphere from about a week to about a year. The height of the tropopause barrier all depends on the background climate of the planet — the cooler the planet, the lower the tropopause.</p>
<p>“In periods of Earth’s history when it was very warm, volcanic cooling would not have been very important because the Earth would have been shielded by this warm, high tropopause,” said Wordsworth. “In cooler conditions, Earth becomes uniquely vulnerable to having these kinds of volcanic perturbations to climate.”</p>
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<p>Another important aspect is where the sulfur dioxide plumes reach the stratosphere. Due to continental drift, 717 million years ago, the Franklin large igneous province where these eruptions took place was situated near the equator, the entry point for most of the solar radiation that keeps the Earth warm.</p>
<p>So, an effective light-reflecting gas entered the atmosphere at just the right location and height to cause cooling. But another element was needed to form the perfect storm scenario. After all, the Pinatubo eruption had similar qualities but its cooling effect only lasted about a year.</p>
<p>The eruptions throwing sulfur into the air 717 million years ago weren’t one-off explosions of single volcanoes like Pinatubo. The volcanoes in question spanned almost 2,000 miles across Canada and Greenland. Instead of singularly explosive eruptions, these volcanoes can erupt more continuously like those in Hawaii and Iceland today. The researchers demonstrated that a decade or so of continual eruptions from this type of volcanoes could have poured enough aerosols into the atmosphere to rapidly destabilize the climate.</p>
<p>“Cooling from aerosols doesn’t have to freeze the whole planet; it just has to drive the ice to a critical latitude. Then the ice does the rest,” said Macdonald.</p>
<p>The more ice, the more sunlight is reflected and the cooler the planet becomes. Once the ice reaches latitudes around present-day California, the positive feedback loop takes over and the runaway snowball effect is pretty much unstoppable.</p>
<p>Comment: Back to terrible events on Earth which were necessary to create the livable Earth we have today. God uses evolutionary processes which today can be dangerous to humans. We are learning to predict earthquakes which are a necessary part of plate tectonics. Hurray for big brains!</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DragonsHeart has kindly told us about certain dreams and experiences which tie in with  accounts given to us by BBella and David, and which &amp;quot;<em>people don&amp;apos;t understand, or just won&amp;apos;t believe.</em>&amp;quot;-Not believing you is an insult to your integrity, but not understanding is a different matter. Like BBella and some of her family, you seem to have a psychic sensitivity, and I wonder if you understand it yourself. Two of the episodes are dreams that provide the sort of comfort reported by some patients who survived a NDE, but the baby incident goes a step further because ... again as in some NDEs ... it entails your acquiring verifiable information that would not have been available to you under normal circumstances. I find such experiences particularly interesting. David attributes them to a &amp;quot;<em>human species consciousness</em>&amp;quot;, and it would be interesting to know your own explanation.-The basic question is whether or not our mind and identity are totally dependent on our physical brain. Psychic experiences suggest that they are not. You will know all too well that there&amp;apos;s a lot of scepticism about these, but until we&amp;apos;ve unravelled the mysteries of the conscious and unconscious mind ... if we ever do ... I for one remain open-minded about the possible implications. -It takes courage to share such experiences with strangers, and I really appreciate your having done so. Thank you.</p>
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<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; I am so thankful that you posted these experiences, even if I am a few years behind in reading them(I only joined this site a few months ago).  I have a few experiences of my own that people don&amp;apos;t understand, or just won&amp;apos;t believe.-&amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; Thank you again, BBella, for sharing your experiences, and thank you to everyone else for allowing me to share mine.-My wife is just like you. I have described a number of experiences she has had, including dreams, and also events aa few minutes later shown on TV as fresh news. I am convinced these are real psychic episodes, and, as Sheldrake has shown in his experiments that some of us can communicate at a different reality level.(See, &amp;quot;A Glorious Accident&amp;quot;, by Wim Keyzer, 1997, especially the discussion of crossword puzzels.)) I believe there is a human species consciousness, and this is how information is delivered in NDE&amp;apos;s. Please don&amp;apos;t feel funny about it; my wife does to some degree. I think of you as part of a normal sub-group of human beings, and I think you are lucky to have that ability.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBella,-I am so thankful that you posted these experiences, even if I am a few years behind in reading them(I only joined this site a few months ago).  I have a few experiences of my own that people don&amp;apos;t understand, or just won&amp;apos;t believe.-1. When I was 16, a friend of mine was shot and killed.  Nearly 18 months later, after I graduated high school and was preparing to enter college, I had an extremely vivid dream(for lack of a better term).  I was sitting in my 12th grade English classroom.  My friend walked in and spoke directly to me, saying &amp;quot;I&amp;apos;m okay. You don&amp;apos;t have to worry about me anymore.&amp;quot;  I remember waking up right after that with a sense of peace that I had not known until that point.-2. I somehow just know if a pregnant woman is having a boy or a girl.  The woman has to have some connection to me, even if remote.  One time, a relative of a friend of my sister&amp;apos;s was having a baby, and started having complications.  My sister called me and wanted to know if the baby was a boy or a girl(the mother-to-be had not had a chance to find out yet).  I could feel the connection, but didn&amp;apos;t want to tell my sister what I felt.  The baby was a girl, but wasn&amp;apos;t going to make it.  I later found out that the baby girl did pass away a few hours after her extremely premature birth.-3. My significant other&amp;apos;s grandmother was diagnosed with cancer over the summer.  We got a call on a Monday that she had taken a drastic turn for the worse, and probably would not live out the week.  I had a dream on Thursday night/Friday morning that my SO and I were in our living room when my phone rang.  It was his grandmother(I had talked to her on the phone several times, but never met her in person), and she identified herself and asked to speak to my SO.  She told him how proud she was of him and how much she loved him.  We got the call on Saturday evening that she passed away very early Friday morning.-I have never been bothered by these occurrences. In many ways I am glad for them. They are not really close together.  I can also feel what others are feeling.  I don&amp;apos;t mean sympathy or even what most people call empathy.  I think it&amp;apos;s what Mercedes Lackey calls Empathy(capital &amp;quot;E&amp;quot; is necessary).  -Thank you again, BBella, for sharing your experiences, and thank you to everyone else for allowing me to share mine.</p>
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<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David has drawn our attention to an article in <em>The Scientist </em>concerning a giant marine virus. Quite apart from the extraordinary nature of these viruses and their effect on life, I was struck by the following sentence:-&amp;quot;<em>Once thought not to exist in marine environments, scientists now realize that there are some 50 million viruses in every milliliter of seawater</em>.&amp;quot;-Oops! Slight oversight! So what else have they missed/are they missing? And what will they have discovered a hundred years from now? People can only base their beliefs on what they know today, but if you add the unsolved mysteries (e.g. origin of the universe and life, nature of consciousness) to current &amp;apos;truths&amp;apos; that may well turn out to be false (e.g. aspects of evolution, the material make-up and history of the universe), it&amp;apos;s amazing that people can commit themselves to any sort of definitive ...ism. When they discover that dark energy is in fact BBella-energy, will she get her Nobel Prize?</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; At some point in time the whole DNA/RNA story will be known during Evolution on Earth. -DNA studies continue and have turned up  &amp;apos;huge&amp;apos; DNA in marine viruses.-http://www.the-scientist.com/news/display/57776/</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There is a fascinating article by Paul Davies in today&amp;apos;s <em>Guardian</em>, concerning the search for alien life. It&amp;apos;s too long to quote in full, and I can&amp;apos;t find a link, so I will quote the most salient section:&amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; &amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; &amp;quot;<em>The problem is that even the simplest living thing is already so stupendously complex that if such an entity were to be thrown together by chance, it would be a fluke of such magnitude as to be unlikely to happen twice in the observable universe, vast though that may be.</em>-&amp;#13;&amp;#10;The recent article on DNA repair gives a glimpse into this &amp;quot;stupendous complexity&amp;quot;:-&amp;#13;&amp;#10;http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100311123522.htm</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a fascinating article by Paul Davies in today&amp;apos;s <em>Guardian</em>, concerning the search for alien life. It&amp;apos;s too long to quote in full, and I can&amp;apos;t find a link, so I will quote the most salient section:-&amp;quot;<em>The problem is that even the simplest living thing is already so stupendously complex that if such an entity were to be thrown together by chance, it would be a fluke of such magnitude as to be unlikely to happen twice in the observable universe, vast though that may be.</em>-<em>However, we don&amp;apos;t know that life&amp;apos;s origin was purely a chemical accident. Scientists are aware of all manner of self-organising processes that might have fast-tracked mindless molecules down a path of complexification leading to life. Indeed, that is the fashionable view. The biologist Christian de Duve expresses it splendidly with the evocative slogan that &amp;quot;life is a cosmic imperative&amp;quot;.</em>&amp;#13;&amp;#10;  &amp;#13;&amp;#10;<em>Unfortunately, there are few grounds for this new-found optimism. Scientists have no agreed theory of the origin of life ... plenty of scenarios, conjectures and just-so stories, but nothing with solid experimental support. Life may emerge from unremarkable chemical sludge with a high degree of probability; but then again, it may not. We haven&amp;apos;t a clue either way. And while we are completely in the dark about precisely what it takes for life to start up, putting an estimate on the numbers of alien civilizations is pointless.</em>-<em>There might be a way to solve this problem at a stroke. No planet is more earth-like than Earth itself, so if life really does pop up readily in earth-like conditions, then surely it should have arisen many times right here on our home planet? And how do we know it didn&amp;apos;t? The truth is, nobody has looked.&amp;quot;</em>-He goes on to say that a few scientists are now actively looking for forms of life on Earth that are different from those we know. If such forms were found, they would indicate a second genesis, and this in turn would make it &amp;quot;<em>fairly certain</em>&amp;quot; that there is life elsewhere. &amp;quot;<em>And once life gets going, there is at least a chance that intelligence will evolve.&amp;quot;</em>-If other forms of life are found, proponents of design can still argue that God would not have confined himself to a single experiment; if other forms are not found, proponents of chance can still argue that we should keep looking, or that this uniqueness shows just how incredibly lucky we are. All the same, the discovery of other forms would add a new dimension to the discussion. Until then, the fact that &amp;quot;<em>we haven&amp;apos;t a clue</em>&amp;quot; serves only to highlight the degree of faith required by those who think they do have a clue.-*** Postscript: you can find the full article and comments on&amp;#13;&amp;#10;http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/14/life-aliens-planet-second-genesis</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>[/i]David says that the healer released my father&amp;apos;s energy, and the &amp;quot;strength&amp;quot; came from my father&amp;apos;s brain.&amp;#13;&amp;#10; &amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; I can see what you mean. Most forms of medicine work, I suppose, in conjunction with the patient&amp;apos;s power of self-healing. But there still has to be something that passes from the outside to the inside, in this case from the healer to my father, in order to stimulate that power. Sorry, but I appear to have inherited a streak of my father&amp;apos;s stubbornness!  - I&amp;apos;m just as stubborn. Your father&amp;apos;s innate healing powers were stimulated by the &amp;apos;healer&amp;apos;. But how? By a passage of quanta thru the skin? They can pass through solid walls. I still say, if you believe in this type of psychic magic from the healer&amp;apos;s faith, it&amp;apos;s not much of a jump to accept a deity. I realize bone fide medical attempts failed. What inappropriate method did they try? I&amp;apos;ve seen lots of awful medical practice. The surgery I described, I believe, was available then. Let&amp;apos;s not used the failed medicine as a comparison. I agree with the following: the healer directly influenced your father to use HIS own powers.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David and I are discussing healing and other powers. I argued that in the case of my sceptical father&amp;apos;s frozen shoulder, the faith healer himself had a special, active gift, which enabled him <em>&amp;quot;to release some kind of energy to cure my father.&amp;quot; &amp;#13;&amp;#10;</em>David says that the healer released my father&amp;apos;s energy, and the &amp;quot;strength&amp;quot; came from my father&amp;apos;s brain. - I can see what you mean. Most forms of medicine work, I suppose, in conjunction with the patient&amp;apos;s power of self-healing. But there still has to be something that passes from the outside to the inside, in this case from the healer to my father, in order to stimulate that power.  I think we&amp;apos;re talking about different stages of one process. You attribute the first stage to hypnosis and/or auto-suggestion, which would certainly be plausible in many situations and with many people, but you didn&amp;apos;t know my father! I would still argue that the first stage suggests a remarkable and mysterious gift, in so far as one man with no outside aid could stimulate another man&amp;apos;s brain into producing ... with immediate effect ... the necessary endorphins, when the other man had no faith in him and when medical science had proved completely ineffective over many painful months. Sorry, but I appear to have inherited a streak of my father&amp;apos;s stubbornness!  - Thank you for telling us about your own experiences of ESP, and particularly your wife&amp;apos;s amazing ability to locate lost objects. I have no explanation, but I do wish she would pass her secret over to me, especially on a Monday morning.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Family experiences continued: - 3.  My niece, who is known to be very psychic, but, because of her mothers (my older sister) fundamental belief that anything to do with this kind of thing is demonic, she kept a very low profile and rarely spoke of these things other than to those more open minded in the family.  One day, around the mid 90&amp;apos;s, around dusk, she and her sis-n-law were driving to her sister-n-laws mothers home.  As they were driving, there appeared a cloud like fog directly in front of them.  It was not very big and kind of oval in shape, but without perfect edges and seemed to be quite dense.  The windows were rolled down and they thought at first it might be a puff of smoke from somewhere, but there was no smell at all.  About 4-5 minutes later my niece (around 27 at the time) said a woman just spoke to her and gave her name and told my niece to tell her (the woman that spoke) sister that she was very happy and well.   Because the name sounded unfamiliar they asked the sister-n-laws mother if she had heard the name before, and she hadn&amp;apos;t.  A few weeks later my niece called to tell me that her sister-n-law, after the name kept bugging her, decided to look up the name in the phone book and found a similar last name that lived on the very road they had been driving down that day.  Because it was so coincidental they called this person, and the woman who picked up said that the other name was her sister that had died sometime before and that she was still in much grief from losing her.  She was very appreciative of the message given her from my niece and said she was comforted by it.  This is just one incident of many that my niece experienced during that time.  This was a time that so many of those &amp;apos;passed&amp;apos; had began to awaken her during the night and give her messages that my niece had decided to close her &amp;apos;ability&amp;apos; down as those who were passed were not allowing her any &amp;apos;down&amp;apos; time.  She since is only open to dealing with animals because she feels their &amp;apos;energy&amp;apos; is more respectful.  - There are also several OBE and NDE&amp;apos;s and other different type of phenomena that my family members have had as well.  For one, I would have to call them and get the exact details so to get them as close to the truth as possible.  The one&amp;apos;s I have chosen are the one&amp;apos;s I have the best memory at this time about.  It would prob take a whole book for me to recount all of the stories I have heard, just from my family alone as I&amp;apos;ve got an unusually ENORMOUS family!  The &amp;apos;Smith&amp;apos;s&amp;apos; are known to be prolific!</p>
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<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Family experiences: &amp;#13;&amp;#10; &amp;#13;&amp;#10;1.  In the early 90&amp;apos;s, my older brother and his wife were over visiting as he had just moved up from the south.  My younger brother (above) was over as well, and as we visited, my younger brother decided to tell the same story above to my older brother, as we were talking about an unusual happening my dad had experienced (which I cannot remember the details right now, but will ask him) which my dad had related to my older bro earlier in the day, and wanted to know if we had heard it as well.  This devolved into talking about unusual experiences and so, he and his wife told us a story that they both had never told anyone before this night:  Before they were married (many years before this), he was about 17, they were parking in his car after dark and were both in the back seat.  When he looked up in the back glass he saw a bright white light which, at first, he thought was a very bright star.  As he watched it appeared to be growing brighter and coming closer.  He told his girlfriend (now wife) to look and when she looked, without his prompting, she said it was coming closer and so they both agreed they should get the bleep out of there!  They both got out of the car, heard no noise, and watched to make sure and, as they watched, it definitely looked to be drawing nearer, even to the tops of the trees, but with no noise.  They were just a 1/4 mile or so from my parents home and so got in the car and drove as fast as they could toward our house.  And as they watched behind them, it appeared to follow them all the way to my parents house and continued to get closer so much so they thought it was going to come right down where they were, and still no noise!  Then, right before they got to the house, both of them saw it shot away at a pace that was unbelievable and disappeared into the sky.  My brother said, being so young back then (17), he actually thought it might have been God or an angel trying to scare them since they were doing something they shouldn&amp;apos;t.&amp;#13;&amp;#10; &amp;#13;&amp;#10;2.  In the mid 90&amp;apos;s, I was talking to my younger brother late one night on his cell phone.  He was driving a large U-Haul truck, and as we were talking, he began to exclaim some obscenities excitedly!  I asked what was going on, and he related to me that he was seeing a large dark triangular flying vehicle (shaped similar to a paper airplane) of some sort that was flying as fast as he was driving not 30 or more feet from him out in a treeless pasture directly beside him.  He said a light or lights (can&amp;apos;t remember exactly) was reflecting onto the ground beneath it, so it was very close to the ground and, it was keeping up with his speed, as if it was trying to keep up with him.  That happened for about a very few moments and then it shot away.  He stopped on the side of the road and other people were stopping as well, and they all watched it for a bit out and around the pasture, not exactly sure how long, and then it just shot away and everyone got back in their vehicles and left.  My brother was talking to me the whole time.&amp;#13;&amp;#10; &amp;#13;&amp;#10; &amp;#13;&amp;#10;Continued in next post.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personal experiences continued: - 5.  Our family has a lot of paranormal happenings, especially to two of our family members who claim they can &amp;quot;see&amp;quot; those who have passed, or ghost.  Many of our family are physic and know it, and many are, but refuse to acknowledge it, because of their beliefs.  I believe psychic ability (however it manifests) is just one part of our overall inherited quality of being which, everyone uses everyday without realizing it and, if exercised, just like any muscle, can grow even more keen.  I personally, since very young, have always felt the &amp;quot;presence&amp;quot; of those that cannot be seen but have always had such fear when I had these feelings, I would almost go into panic attacks because of it.  Since my illness, I know not to fear the feeling and just observe what/who comes to mind and let it go.   - One other thing I wanted to mention is, all my life, since I was a very young child, I would dream things that would eventually happen.  I have dreamed of births as well as deaths and other events.  My family has rarely experienced deaths, but when we did, I would dream of the deaths in advance.  One night, in a dream, I was asked if I wanted to continue to have this ability, and I said no, that I didn&amp;apos;t like knowing ahead of time about the deaths of loved ones.  I have not had these dreams since and several loved ones have died since.  I have also had dreams of major catastrophes thru out my life as well.  It was during my illness that I was asked whether I wanted to continue to have this ability.  - Since the vision of the golden being at the foot of my bed, my &amp;apos;abilities&amp;apos; have taken a completely different turn.  I no longer sense things or dream things as I did...but, I now have the ability to disperse energy blockages (from past blocked/suppressed emotions) within myself which continues to help me heal and relieves pain instantly.  I&amp;apos;ve also taught others to do the same and have had witnessed many excellent results.  This ability may be documented or written about somewhere by someone, but, it is new to me and those I have helped (friends and family).  This ability has grown from my research on the power of my own mind which began the day of my experience I recounted, I called my NDE, but David Turell called an OBE.  Whatever it was, it redirected my mind from outside myself to my own uncharted frontier, my own mind, which has greatly served me since. - If anyone has any idea or more information on any of these experiences, I would be open minded and greatly appreciative to hear what others may know or think.  I would even hope that a new thread could be made just for everyone&amp;apos;s own experiences of the paranormal.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You were kind enough to tell us the story of your own out-of-body experience, and although I don&amp;apos;t want to pressurize you, I for one would be very interested to hear more. Perhaps there are also other people out there who might like to recount their experiences. - Thank you dhw for you patience...I have taken the time and chosen from the many experiences my family and I have had and put them in two parts. - This first post is my experiences and the second will be my family&amp;apos;s experiences.  I will try and recount them according to a time line to the best of my remembrance.&amp;#13;&amp;#10; &amp;#13;&amp;#10;1.  My earliest experience with anything considered unexplained or paranormal (outside of myself, explained in #4) happened one night in the early 70&amp;apos;s when I was around 17.   I awakened startled from a sound sleep with the feeling of a presence in the room.  I turned to look beside my bed and I saw a very dark tall figure standing beside my bed seeming to be slightly bent down over me.  The figure was illuminated by the moonlight coming thru the window behind it.  I immediately turned on the light and there was no one there and nothing to explain the dark figure as my door and windows in the room were all locked.&amp;#13;&amp;#10; &amp;#13;&amp;#10;2.  In the mid 80&amp;apos;s I was walking my younger brother ( about 18) out onto the deck of my house to say goodnight just after mid-night and, as we were talking, I looked up to admire the beautiful clear night sky, and almost directly above my head there was, what appeared to be, stars moving very slowly in a straight line from east to west.  There had to be many hundreds if not thousands as they were as far as the eye could see from east to west ( I live in the deep woods in the foothills surrounded by pines and large trees on top of a hill, so couldn&amp;apos;t see either horizons).  The &amp;quot;stars&amp;quot; moved with no sound and were about the size of small, not tiny, stars.  We watched for about 15 min or so until my bro decided to go ahead and leave.  He said he thought they were probably something to do with the military.  But, to this day, I still wonder why we didn&amp;apos;t both wait longer to see if the line ended and, wonder too, why we weren&amp;apos;t more curious about such a phenomenon?  I don&amp;apos;t even think we had ever told anyone till years later.  I can&amp;apos;t even imagine how the military could be that far up with that many flying vehicles that close together with no sound in absolute perfect formation as if someone had drawn dot to dots across the sky. &amp;#13;&amp;#10; &amp;#13;&amp;#10;3.  When I became very ill in the late 90&amp;apos;s early 00&amp;apos;s, I would often wake up hearing and seeing (from the glow of the moonlight) someone open the door and come in my room or someone standing beside me, but there was never anyone there when I would turn the light on or call out to them.  This seemed to happen several times a month at least.  I was on no meds or sleeping pills, as nothing given me could take even the slightest amount of pain away and, I&amp;apos;ve rarely ever had any problems sleeping altho I&amp;apos;ve always been a light sleeper.  But, one night, I awoke to a presence in the room and looked and saw a tall being standing at the foot of my bed.  It was dressed in gold armor from head to toe which was made up of small square plates and some seemed to have writings or symbols on them, altho I&amp;apos;m not sure, could have been indention&amp;apos;s.  Altho there was no light in the room at all, I could see it as plainly as if the room was lit.   It also had a helmet/headdress and a staff and just stood there not moving or say anything, altho, the gold did seem to shimmer as if it were reflecting moving light.  The room was pitch dark as no moon was out that night.  When I turned on the light it wasn&amp;apos;t there.  I immediately wrote down what I had seen so I could remember it vividly the next day.  When I finally turned off the light, I again noticed it was pitch black in the room.  None of these things have happened since and it wasn&amp;apos;t too long after this that I had the vision that gave me relief of my pain.&amp;#13;&amp;#10; &amp;#13;&amp;#10;More on next post.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It&amp;apos;s even possible that certain people have a form of ESP that enables them to make contact with the &amp;quot;energy constellations&amp;quot; which you believe may survive the death of the physical body. In our thread on The Arts, I posed the question of where our ideas come from. It&amp;apos;s all the same mystery: what is the origin and nature of these astonishing powers?   But like everyone else who is interested enough to log on to this website, I would like to know more! That&amp;apos;s why other people&amp;apos;s experiences and explanations are of immense interest and value to me, and of course it&amp;apos;s the whole purpose of the forum. - I&amp;apos;ve had one startling ESP event: I was driving home from  a day at the clinic, idly listening to a talk radio program with rambling comments about Houston heat and sunburn. As I stopped at a redlight ( and I know exactly where to this day 20+ years later), the lady on the phone said she a a great sunburn treatment. The host had to take a commercial break, and she was put on hold. Into my head popped: soak a T-shirt on stong tea and put it on the person with the bad sunburn. Remember that what I was hearing has a 10-20 second delay to screen out obvious things that should not go over the air. When she resumed, that is exactly what she had said. I had not thought of or heard of that method before, but tea is a tanning agent and a reasonable suggestion. - How did I get the message? All electric wires broadcast electromagnetic waves. That is how radio and TV send out signals. Did my brain wires pick up her message as they were sent over phone wries to the radio station? That is my theory.  - One day my wife said she had just &amp;apos;seen&amp;apos; (she meant in her brain) that a building &amp;apos;climber&amp;apos; in Houston had just jumped off a tall building, purposely jumping backwards from a corner high up on the outside of the building. I rushed to the TV and described to her what was being reported, as I saw the man leap away, and that is exactly how she &amp;apos;saw&amp;apos; it. Did she pick up a TV transmission? Or did she &amp;apos;see it&amp;apos;? When I lose something, I ask her what it is on. She will usually be able to tell me color or pattern. I was looking for a halter in the barn I couldn&amp;apos;t find. She told me it was on brown plaid. I went to the tack room, lifted up a saddle blanket from a stack, where the edge of a brown plain saddle blanket could be seen underneath. There was the hidden halter. I have no idea how that works. Does anyone?</p>
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<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I have absolutely no doubt that humans possess at least the potential for extraordinary powers ... and my father&amp;apos;s cure was evidence of this ... but I don&amp;apos;t know where they come from. just as your wife may have extrasensory powers, I am suggesting (especially because of my father&amp;apos;s scepticism) that it was the healer himself who had a special, active gift.  - Humans have extraordinary powers. Our intellect and consciousness appeared recenty in evolution, way beyond what we need to survive against nature and natural selection. The artifacts from the Neanderthals do not indicate minds of our type. There was no &amp;apos;call&amp;apos; for intellect of this magnitude from natural selection; the odds against chance are extraordinarily large. We do not pass quanta by the laying on of hands. We pass them through mentation and suggestion, by stirring up quanta in the other person&amp;apos;s brain. The strength is in THAT  brain.&amp;#13;&amp;#10; &amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; I like your example of the desperate man who finds the strength to lift a car off an injured pedestrian. That is the sort of potential (over a wide range of fields) that I think is in all of us, but it&amp;apos;s more highly developed in some than in others.  I don&amp;apos;t need any kind of religious faith to believe that the healer was able to release some kind of energy to cure my father. - Yes, the healer released energy, your father&amp;apos;s energy. It is the brain that releases adrenalin to lift the car, or endorphins to dull shoulder pain.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David asks: <em>&amp;quot;If it is the healer who must have the faith in God and you saw your father&amp;apos;s miraculous result, why don&amp;apos;t you believe in God?&amp;quot;</em> - I have absolutely no doubt that humans possess at least the potential for extraordinary powers ... and my father&amp;apos;s cure was evidence of this ... but I don&amp;apos;t know where they come from. The healer&amp;apos;s belief that they came from God was <em>his</em>, but it seems feasible to me that his faith simply enabled him to tap within himself some of the powers that lie within all of us. My difference of opinion with you is that you attribute the cure to hypnosis, or to autosuggestion, and to my father being made to use <em>his </em>potential ... but just as your wife may have extrasensory powers, I am suggesting (especially because of my father&amp;apos;s scepticism) that it was the healer himself who had a special, active gift.  - I like your example of the desperate man who finds the strength to lift a car off an injured pedestrian. That is the sort of potential (over a wide range of fields) that I think is in all of us, but it&amp;apos;s more highly developed in some than in others. It&amp;apos;s even possible that certain people have a form of ESP that enables them to make contact with the &amp;quot;energy constellations&amp;quot; which you believe may survive the death of the physical body. In our thread on The Arts, I posed the question of where our ideas come from. It&amp;apos;s all the same mystery: what is the origin and nature of these astonishing powers? I don&amp;apos;t need any kind of religious faith to believe that the healer was able to release some kind of energy to cure my father. I can accept his healing ability in just the same way as I accept the ability of a Shakespeare, a Michelangelo, a Beethoven, or your car-lifter to achieve feats far beyond the scope of an ordinary person. But like everyone else who is interested enough to log on to this website, I would like to know more! That&amp;apos;s why other people&amp;apos;s experiences and explanations are of immense interest and value to me, and of course it&amp;apos;s the whole purpose of the forum.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No-one could seriously doubt that the mind has a huge influence on the body (and vice versa), or that placebos often work for that very reason. However, my father&amp;apos;s frozen shoulder, which nowadays you say would be treated under anaesthetic, with the shoulder being forcibly stretched and the scar tissue being broken up, was first relieved and then cured, according to my father, by a simple placing-on of hands. In any case, the removal of warts by hypnosis is scarcely comparable. I must again stress that my father ... who was a very stubborn man ... was totally sceptical, which is not the sort of mindset conducive to autosuggestion. There can be no doubt that the healer himself, whom I met a couple of times, believed that his power came from God, and the point that remains most vividly in my memory is his response to my father&amp;apos;s scepticism: namely, that it was he the healer who had to have faith, and not the patient. &amp;#13;&amp;#10; &amp;#13;&amp;#10;I left your whole quote so I could dissect it from my viewpoint. The mind does have a huge influence, which is my point. A person lifts a car off an injured pedestrian high enough to pull him out. Yes, adrenalin underlies, but the mind drives it. My point about the warts is the amazing power of suggestion. I&amp;apos;m like your father, and doubt I can be hypnotized, but I have identified some placebo effects in myself. If it is the healer who must have the faith in God and you saw your father&amp;apos;s miraculous result, why don&amp;apos;t you believe in God? You have seen His power. I believe in a greater power, but do not believe that the greater power stepped in to help your father recover. Some form of suggestion helped your father to help himself. - &gt; I&amp;apos;m fascinated by your equation of the &amp;quot;immaterial world&amp;quot; with the quantum layer. In OBEs and NDEs, the dead person not only retains his identity, but is also able to see and hear what is going on in the room and even elsewhere, as well as encounter other dead people. I can&amp;apos;t see much difference between calling this perceiving identity &amp;quot;virtual energy&amp;quot; or an &amp;quot;energy constellation&amp;quot; and calling it the &amp;quot;soul&amp;quot; or the &amp;quot;spirit&amp;quot;. If you believe that this constellation does survive death, then can I presume that you also believe in ghosts and in spiritualism? I&amp;apos;m sorry if I seem to be pushing you on this, but for me it&amp;apos;s all part of the same complex, and I&amp;apos;d like to know where you draw the line (and why). - I don&amp;apos;t know about believing ghosts, spiritualism, or seances, but I awoke one night and saw the &amp;apos;spectral&amp;apos; outline of my wife dancing slowly with another woman I did not recognize shining red from the light thrown by our clock. I sat up in bed, made sure I was not sleeping, and in a short while they faded away. My wife was lying next to me sleeping quietly. As factual and scientific as I try to be, I know I saw this. My wife has documented ESP and precognition. Lets just say I am skeptical in this area. But quanta are what made the outline of my wife. Photons are quanta we see. Other quanta may become material in our reality and then disappear again. That is the other layer I am talking about. So if there are ghosts, they pop in and out of the other layer.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David believes in ESP, OBEs and NDEs, but not in &amp;quot;healing powers&amp;quot; or in an immaterial world. - No-one could seriously doubt that the mind has a huge influence on the body (and vice versa), or that placebos often work for that very reason. However, my father&amp;apos;s frozen shoulder, which nowadays you say would be treated under anaesthetic, with the shoulder being forcibly stretched and the scar tissue being broken up, was first relieved and then cured, according to my father, by a simple placing-on of hands. In any case, the removal of warts by hypnosis is scarcely comparable. I must again stress that my father ... who was a very stubborn man ... was totally sceptical, which is not the sort of mindset conducive to autosuggestion. There can be no doubt that the healer himself, whom I met a couple of times, believed that his power came from God, and the point that remains most vividly in my memory is his response to my father&amp;apos;s scepticism: namely, that it was he the healer who had to have faith, and not the patient.  - I&amp;apos;m fascinated by your equation of the &amp;quot;immaterial world&amp;quot; with the quantum layer. In OBEs and NDEs, the dead person not only retains his identity, but is also able to see and hear what is going on in the room and even elsewhere, as well as encounter other dead people. I can&amp;apos;t see much difference between calling this perceiving identity &amp;quot;virtual energy&amp;quot; or an &amp;quot;energy constellation&amp;quot; and calling it the &amp;quot;soul&amp;quot; or the &amp;quot;spirit&amp;quot;. If you believe that this constellation does survive death, then can I presume that you also believe in ghosts and in spiritualism? I&amp;apos;m sorry if I seem to be pushing you on this, but for me it&amp;apos;s all part of the same complex, and I&amp;apos;d like to know where you draw the line (and why).</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>However, I have had experiences which prevent me from completely sharing your scepticism in one area. As a doctor you are convinced that healing powers are a &amp;quot;misconception&amp;quot;, so I will tell you of an experience that is not in the <em>Brief Guide</em>. My father suffered from &amp;apos;frozen shoulder&amp;apos;, and the doctors could not help him. Totally against his will, and in desperation,he allowed himself to be persuaded by my mother to see a faith healer who had been recommended&gt;  - Let me explain your father&amp;apos;s experience first. The proper medical treatment is to anesthetize the patient and forcibly stretch the shoulder, breaking up scar tissue around the muscles of the shoulder joint. The &amp;apos;healer&amp;apos; used psychology or suggestion or mild hypnosis to get your father to gradually stretch his shoulder against pain. The healing powers were within your father. Whatever was done by the healer reduced his pain so that he could stretch.  - About hypnosis: Warts are caused by a virus. I know the doctor who proved this. What is amazing is despite the fact that direct medical treatment is difficult, hypnosis works, and in fact the hypnotist can ask the patient to cure the warts on his left side but not the right side and it happens! Or on the right side and not the left. The healing powers are within the patient. That is why placebos work. I once stopped giving a hospitalized patient her pain shots because it was obvious she was getting hooked. We substituted saline, which worked. Three days later I confronted her with what I did. She fired me as her MD. I didn&amp;apos;t want her as a patient anyway, but I&amp;apos;d made my point. - &gt; Finally, I&amp;apos;m intrigued by what you say about OBEs and NDEs, together with your statement that <em>&amp;quot;the immaterial world is &amp;quot;material&amp;quot;&amp;apos;</em>. If perception, identity and thought can survive independently of the brain (which is clinically dead), what is their material basis?                                                                                                                                                                                               - The &amp;quot;immaterial world&amp;quot; is the quantum layer, which underlies our reality, and it is real but not material in our ability to sense things.  It is virtual energy. I&amp;apos;m sorry that quantum theory is so counterintuitive, like Lewis Carroll in Thru the Looking Glass; it is there but not there. This is what George was suggesting as the source of our universe: a vacuum quantum fluctuation, resulting in our universe popping into existence from the virtual vacuum of our spacetime. This is the source of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Quantum mechanics makes real and accurate results with its formulas, as averages of what all the particles are doing, but has no idea where each individual particle is or whether it is a particle or wave until measured. It really is both particle and wave at the same time, all the time. We can only measure one aspect or the other.  - The reason for the NDE /OOB study you have described is because of the development of hospice care for the dying. Doctors are being exposed to hearing from patients who come back from NDE&amp;apos;s and describe friends or acquaintances that have just died and the patient could not have known this in their sedated dying condition. And those people have just died! This corroborates the episode. I&amp;apos;ve heard a doctor in Houston describe one such story he was part of. With whom did the patient communicate during the NDE? - I believe consciousness is at the quantum level, and possibly stays as an energy constellation after death. After all TV and radio programs are electromagnetic energy (Quanta) and your set can interpret what it receives from a mass of organized quanta.</p>
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