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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><p>&amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; &gt; I forsee something like &amp;apos;David&amp;apos; by the time I die... but the biggest part of humans is emotional, and without real emotions I think that there will be a large hole in terms of creative thought.&amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; &gt; &amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; &gt; I&amp;apos;m not proud of AI yet.  I&amp;apos;m just not a pessimist like you!&amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; &amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; But you are pointing  out the missing parts of AI, emotions and  integrated thought that becomes very creative. Mechanical thought is not creative thought.-Creativity in regards to intelligence is the ability to look at something you&amp;apos;ve never seen before, and apply past knowledge and experience to that something.  That CAN be done mechanically.  Deep blue being a prime example.  the difficulty right now is generalizing that process out of what I would call &amp;quot;domain area expertise.&amp;quot;  - A good first step in Deep Blue&amp;apos;s case would be to ascertain that chess principles of controlling space can be applied to football and basketball, for just one contrived example.-This will get us into an area where machines can think and adapt using logical rules and heuristics.  -Which is a really big chunk of what we humans do, cognitively.  Such a machine could conceivably do MY job. -You need to remember that in AI we only program HOW the machine learns, the rest comes through a training period where the machine learns &amp;quot;dos&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;don&amp;apos;ts.&amp;quot;  It observes  the environment and relies upon humans to say &amp;quot;right&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;wrong.&amp;quot;-We&amp;apos;re THAT far.  Harder is getting it to apply what we taught it to completely new areas.</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; I forsee something like &amp;apos;David&amp;apos; by the time I die... but the biggest part of humans is emotional, and without real emotions I think that there will be a large hole in terms of creative thought.&amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; &amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; I&amp;apos;m not proud of AI yet.  I&amp;apos;m just not a pessimist like you!-But you are pointing  out the missing parts of AI, emotions and  integrated thought that becomes very creative. Mechanical thought is not creative thought.</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
<category>The limitations of science</category><dc:creator>David Turell</dc:creator>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/04/turing-test-revisited/-^^^^">www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/04/turing-test-revisited/-^^^^</a> Here&amp;apos;s the &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; state of the state, including a summary of some of the abject failures of AI from the time of Turing to the present.-I forsee something like &amp;apos;David&amp;apos; by the time I die... but the biggest part of humans is emotional, and without real emotions I think that there will be a large hole in terms of creative thought.-I&amp;apos;m not proud of AI yet.  I&amp;apos;m just not a pessimist like you!</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><p><a href="https://www.weylandindustries.com/david&amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt;">https://www.weylandindustries.com/david&amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt;</a> &amp;#13;&amp;#10;&gt; I know you are very proud of what computers can do. I wish I were that pretty. But my brain is better than his, and I think always will be.-You... didn&amp;apos;t think that was a real ad did you?   It&amp;apos;s a promo for a new movie, actually?  (I knew it was good, especially with the &amp;quot;Powered by Verizon&amp;quot; at the end, but it was totally fake.-It&amp;apos;s a prequel movie from the &amp;quot;Alien&amp;quot; franchise, which had a strong history of what we would call &amp;quot;evil&amp;quot; Androids.  Watch it again in the context of the &amp;apos;79 movie, where the android tried to infect the crew... it takes an ironic and even a little bit of a note of horror.</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a href="https://www.weylandindustries.com/david-I">https://www.weylandindustries.com/david-I</a> know you are very proud of what computers can do. I wish I were that pretty. But my brain is better than his, and I think always will be.</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 04:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
<category>The limitations of science</category><dc:creator>David Turell</dc:creator>
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<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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