Making waves (Introduction)

by dhw, Tuesday, June 11, 2013, 17:01 (3989 days ago) @ Balance_Maintained

TONY: Moreover, the bible is not 'anti-evolution', it is 'anti-abiogenesis' and 'anti-speciation'. Not precisely the same things. :)-DHW: By speciation I understand the evolution of each species from already existing species, the core concept being the theory of common descent. This is crucial to Darwin's theory, as opposed to the belief that "each species has been independently created" i.e. by God (Recapitulation and Conclusion). I know we have had long discussions on this, concerning the meaning of "after its/his/their kind", but unless you really believe the bible teaches that all species evolved from earlier species right back to LUCA, I still think you need to do an awful lot of wriggling to claim that it is not "anti-evolution".-TONY: Not much wriggling at all. To say that all bovines came from other bovines, diverged into new and different types of bovines is not anti-evolution. It merely puts constraints on the theory which brings it into line with what we have observed.-Different types of bovines are variations, but evolution says that bovines, fish, birds, primates ALL go back to a common ancestor. You may disagree, of course, and you may say this has not been "observed", but the theory explicitly rejects separate creation of these different "kinds" as proposed by the bible. That is why the bible is "anti-evolution".