Making waves (Introduction)

by dhw, Saturday, June 22, 2013, 09:56 (3979 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: I have learned an enormous amount from you about the science that underpins your beliefs, and your arguments are as powerful a case as one could wish for against the dogmas of atheism, but they ALWAYS run up against the problem that science cannot support the dogmas of theism. The conclusions I have listed above are gleaned from your various posts, but I would suggest that not one of them can possibly be reached from science alone.-DAVID: I don't really know why we are discussing the creation subject of the bible. I don't use it. I have opinions about it. My opinion disagrees with yours. I do not follow the dogmas of theism. I follow my own conclusions. My view of the OT allows for the conclusion that theistic evolution fits the narrative. God can create species any way He wants to. Theistic evolution is one form of creationism. It fits what I see scientifically.-The reason why we are discussing the biblical version of creation is that Tony wrote that it was not anti-evolution, and you agreed with him. If your opinion is that the bible does not advocate separate creation of humans and other "kinds", or that separate creation of humans and other "kinds" is not anti-evolution, we can end the discussion!-The second point at issue is your statement: "I reached my conclusions from science alone". These conclusions include the claim that God is a conscious being who deliberately created the universe and life, and whose purpose was to produce humans and test their faith. I would regard this as theistic dogma that has no basis in science, but of course there is no countering the argument that you follow your own conclusions and they fit what you see scientifically!