LUCA latest: Shapiro redux (Introduction)

by David Turell , Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 17:12 (277 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Yes, I quoted Shapiro's theory, pure theory! All we know currently for fact is bacteria edit DNA.

dhw: So will you please stop pretending that I have blown his theory up, and have morphed it into something he did not say. And stop ignoring the fact that over and over again I have agreed that it is a theory – just as your God’s existence and your interpretation of his purpose, method and nature are all theories.

Don't deny you use Shapiro to tout brilliant designing cells!!!

dhw: You have completely ignored this all-important distinction between repetition of processes and the fact that new species can only arise through changes in the processes!

Wrong!! New species cells use the same processes old species cells used! What changes is morphology that can perform new tasks.

dhw: Hence evolution from single cells to trilobites, dinosaurs, the duck-billed platypus and humans.

DAVID: Your bold skips over the fact that we do not know how speciation happens, and I believe God did it by designing new forms.

dhw: I have stated over and over again that we don’t know how it happens, and that is why we can only theorize, and then test our theories to see how feasible they are. I know what you believe: that your God either popped in over and over and over again to do a dabble or he preprogrammed every species 3.8 billion years ago. And you reject my theistic version of Shapiro’s theory, that he might have endowed the original cells with the intelligence to do their own designing, because although cells act as if they are intelligent, you know they are not.

What I know is cells act intelligently from intelligently designed instructions from God.