Immunity: detecting dangerous bacteria (Introduction)

by dhw, Saturday, November 18, 2017, 12:44 (2343 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID’s comment: The immune system cells learn about bacteria by experience, changing its DNA to fit its discoveries. [….] This complexity has to be designed. Not by chance. How much complexity has to be shown in living evolved organisms before agnostics recognize design is necessary?

dhw: Amazing how cells learn by experience and change themselves to fit their discoveries, and yet are believed by some to be automatons that can't learn or change themselves.
As for design, how many times does an agnostic have to tell a panentheist that every design does not have to be preprogrammed in the first living cells 3.8 billion years ago and then passed on, or personally dabbled by a God? How many times does an agnostic have to tell a panentheist that if God exists, it would have been far simpler for him to give living cells the ability to do their own designing? No chance involved in any of these complexities, and the option open that your God designed the designers.

DAVID: And you have glossed over your own point: if cells can do their own designing, God designed them to have that ability! Or they are designed to be automatic. Either way God is at work and agnosticism disappears.

The glossing is yours. You consistently maintain that cells cannot possibly think for themselves. Now you have them learning by experience and deliberately changing themselves. I’m delighted to see your change of heart.

I have ALWAYS left open the possibility that your God designed the autonomous intelligence of cells, and have repeated it here: “the option open that your God designed the designers.”