Negative atheism? (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, December 20, 2014, 00:00 (3417 days ago) @ GateKeeper

tony: "No Thing" does not have an existence, much less multiple co-existences. Sorry, this does not pass the something from nothing test.
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>GK: agreed,
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> That's not "nothing". That's totaling zero. That is "something" to zero. I think these virtual particle only seem to break conservation laws because we don't know enough yet. Because we are moving we cannot be or really know absolute zero energy. We only get relative zero. Like two people sitting in a moving car looking at each other not moving.
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> I think of it like a boiling pot of water with the particles jumping all about on the top. And that's where we are. The ones that go back into the liquid look like they went to zero energy but in reality they filled a lower energy level.-Absolutely on the mark. Guth makes the same mistake in his book, The Inflationary Universe. He adds up all the positive and negative forces of the universe and since that calculation adds up to zero he then states the universe came from nothing.