Negative atheism? (Introduction)

by David Turell , Wednesday, December 24, 2014, 01:10 (3413 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw; We are dealing only in hypotheses here.... I have pointed out that the odds against chance would not be so astronomical if our universe had been preceded by countless billions of others.-You are using the same illogical cop-out as the multiverse-hawking, poorly-thinking cosmologists. Just conjure up infinities and you can have any result you want.-> dhw: You have agreed that your God might have done it before - and since he has eternities, there is no limit to the number of universes he might have created.-ANY suggestion is possible. We are in 'la-la' land in this area of discussion. Can you tell me what fraction of eternity does the life of a universe occupy, so we can decide how many God might have made? It is thought this universe might have 100 billion years before the 'big rip' of continual expansion. 100 billon years, times x =s eternity? You solve the equation. I certainly can't. -> dhw: However, .. I have offered hypothetical first cause non-conscious energy forever transmuting itself into matter - or into universes. Countless billions of them. And so the odds against chance are no longer so astronomical.-In your la-la construction, which I will never accept. You are the one to use the ploy of infinity. How many multiverses dance on the head of a pin?-> dhw: You cannot escape the problem of what preceded the BB, and none of us can do anything except hypothesise. Of course you are free to favour one hypothesis over the other, but since your whole hypothesis depends on what preceded the BB, you can hardly dismiss other hypotheses on the grounds that we don't know what preceded the BB.-It is YOUR hypothesis that depends on before the BB. All I can know, as I have stated over and over, is that our universe looks like a creation by someone (GOD) or some process (UNKNOWN), and I can go no further than that in following the logic I use. That single observation didn't get me to God. There are, as you know, lots of other facts and observations in my books that made me reach my conclusion. It is a 'preponderance of evidence' to reach a conclusion 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. I do admire your wonderful imagination as you squirm during our discussions. You accept that chance and multiverses don't work, but then jump to infinities. That dodge won't work.