Free Will: Egnor shows neurological proof (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, December 12, 2020, 00:27 (1233 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: This is extremely confusing. Previously I thought you had agreed that it is the dualist’s immaterial soul that does the thinking, and it uses the material brain to gather information and to give material expression to its thoughts. Do you now disagree with this “division of labour”? Please answer.

There is no division!!! See below.

DAVID: This is where you have always been confused about my theory of dualism. The immaterial soul does initiate and create thought, but only with a functional brain during life using the neuronal networks to actually create the thought.

dhw: This is where you have always muddied the waters by glossing over what the soul uses the brain for. You have agreed in the past that it “uses” the brain to gather information and then to give material expression to its thoughts. What else does it use the brain for? Please answer.

I have over and over. I/soul/self can only initiate a thought by activating the brain's networks and using those specific networks exclusively to create the thought and then express it. Your previous impressions about dualism have been locked into not understanding my descriptions, with the soul in your version, at some separate distance dictating to the brain. The soul must use the brain circuits to form thought.

DAVID: Thus a sick brain can only produce sick thoughts which the soul cannot prevent from appearing in sick form.

dhw: But the dualist’s sick brain does not produce thoughts. It produces the information that the dualist’s soul thinks about. It is the dualist’s soul that “forms” the thought. Yes or no?

No. Only by using the brain as I describe above. Egnor and I have the same view.

DAVID: […] If I initiate a thought my brain thinks and I recognize the thought as it appears. I am my soul so the relationship is quite clear to me.

dhw: You gave us an extreme case of permanent sickness: the psychopath commits murder. Your verdict: “Normal thinking can only come from a normal brain”. The sick psychopath “cannot socialize because his brain makes him that way. […] He can’t help what he is.” But if the brain makes him what he is, and normal thinking comes from a normal brain, then it is the brain that makes all of us what we are. So what is the function of a soul? You could hardly make a clearer case for materialism, or for determinism. (And of course, you may be right.)

Still total confusion. Absorb the above explanation without reverting to your previous teaching.