Afterlife (Endings)

by David Turell , Saturday, January 12, 2013, 15:01 (4114 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: So my mind is not closed to the possibility of a UI of some kind. But...and of course the agnostic has to come up with a "but"...the theory that all these mysteries can be solved by an even greater mystery ... a form of eternally existing intelligence that does not depend on materials, is as endless as this universe and perhaps others too, is mindful of tiny specks like us ... is far, far beyond the reach of my intellect and imagination, and I have no intuition that tells me it must be there, let alone interested in us. -I've cherry-picked your observations to point out the gap in your thinking. It doesn't require 'intuition' to realize tht there is something eternal. Nothing comes from nothing, so there has always been something. Back to the First Cause argument, recognized since the ancient Greeks. Life requires complicated codes based on an enormous amount of information. Only intellect or mind can create that information. -That is the creative nubbin of my thinking. I can't imagine or have any intuition about a UI. I only know it HAS to exist. It is required to fit the logical conclusion that life's underlying information had to come from some thought process. Just because you can't imagine it, doesn't mean it is not there. Your imagination can conjure up all sorts of things that are not there and never will be: flying pink elephants, humans with wings. Religions like the idea of angels with wings. To what logical purpose? -So let's leave out our ability to imagine the UI, and agree it is a logical endpoint to our study of the cause of the real world. The final mystery is meant to be, behind the curtain of quantum uncertainty. Never to be completely understood, but as a challenge from the great UI mind to ours to keep trying. -My whole concept has a nice 'fit' within itself. At the top is the UI that we realy cannot 'know' and underlying all of it is the quicksand of quantum confusion. And some of us can develop 'faith' out of this monstrous muddle. Tony has, I have, can you?