More Denton: Reply to David (Introduction)

by David Turell , Wednesday, August 12, 2015, 19:23 (3182 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw; It is obvious from all the articles you have so generously posted that science is already uncovering more and more complexity in the biochemistry of life. I agree that design of some kind has to be accepted, but the various hypotheses concerning the origin of that design are all riddled with “fuzz”. Let me boldly match your prophecy by anticipating that science will never confirm divine preprogramming of the first living cells with all future innovations, lifestyles and nests, or divine intervention to produce them, or that your God's purpose in creating the universe and life was to produce human beings. -I agree with you. There will never be absolute proof of ay of this. What will happen is consistent with your statement about ever increasing complexity. My book title says Science IS Proving God. It is a process which I believe will eventually cause folks to accept there must be a designer on the basis of that amazing complexity which will remove any consideration of an uncontrolled process.
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> dhw: “All we know” is that innovations took place (sorry, Tony, this is strictly between us evolutionists), but have not done so for a very long time. Clearly the cause lies beyond what we know now.-The fact that evolution appears to have stopped and humans have appeared is part of my reasoning that humans are the purpose.-> dhw: You sense free will in yourself, whereas a determinist can say it seems to you like free will but it's actually a combination of factors beyond your control. You disagree when it concerns yourself and other humans (though nobody can tell the difference), but you agree when it concerns bacteria (though nobody can tell the difference). Not being able to tell the difference cuts both ways, and is therefore no argument. -My brain and I work together. What I have studied in this science/religion relationship has created an area of my brain through its plasticity that allows me to pull facts from memory that I did not know before. You can have your determinist and his opinion. It is not mine.-> DAVID: I'm still the same. I'll buy Tony if the ability to 'work it out' includes God-given guidelines.
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> dhw: The usual obfuscation. Your guidelines consist of divine preprogramming and/or direct intervention, both of which completely preclude the ability to work it out.-You want independent 'working out' and I want guided 'working out', a small difference of opinion.