Unanswered questions (General)

by David Turell , Monday, July 15, 2019, 16:14 (1741 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Therefore, it is obvious God chose to evolve humans by directing evolution, designing all stages on the way.

dhw: But also designing all stages of every other multicellular organism that ever lived, although according to you he only wanted to design humans!

Having humans as a goal by evolving them does not mean God had tunnel vision. God knew He needed to supply ecosystems to support the need for food energy over the time evolved. He understood what the entire process required. Your imagined version of God in this comment diminishes my version of God's thoughts. Again, misrepresenting my thoughts and logic.

If God exists, I accept that he is a designer through evolution, since I believe evolution happened! But please re-read my next comment:

dhw: But what is not logical is that his one and only purpose was to “evolve” (which for you means specially design) humans, and yet he chose to “evolve” (= specially design) millions of NON-HUMAN life forms extant and extinct. You simply refuse to put your different fixed beliefs together, and it is the COMBINATION which you cannot explain: 1) single purpose; 2) your God always in control; 3) evolution means your God specially designs every life form, econiche, lifestyle and natural wonder; 4) therefore, for 3.5 billion years he specially designed anything but the one thing he wanted to design. And I should add that you have “no idea why”.

I have re-read it, and it is always the same. It assumes your version of a bumbling God did not know what He was doing. All you describe was necessary if God chose to evolve humans as I believe. God's goal of evolving humans involved everything you have described. Your reasoning is totally confused unless you come to understand what God's choice of method means. Humans were his desired endpoint.

dhw: Your reply totally ignores the comment you are replying to, which points out the logical flaws in your own theory, and you also ignore the following comment, with which you agreed!

dhw: My starting point is that if God exists, he would know what he wants, and we have no reason to suppose that his logic will be incomprehensible to, especially since there are several alternative hypotheses which are perfectly logical. It is also perfectly logical to assume that if he created our consciousness with all its attributes, there would be common ground between his attributes and ours. Of course ALL the hypotheses are guesswork (including the very existence of your God). But please note once more that unlike yours, none of my hypotheses represent a fixed belief – that is why I offer different hypotheses.

I've agreed only to the bolded segment as below:

DAVID: The bolds above are exactly what I think. Your 'unfixed beliefs' lead you to imagine a very humanized God.

DAVID: Your logical alternatives ignore the series of logical steps I have presented above about God's motives and methods of action, while you continue to humanize your concept of God.

dhw: I have accepted the logic that if your God exists, he used evolution to produce all forms of life, including humans. I do not accept your fixed belief that evolution means special design of every single life form etc., or that every special design was geared to the one and only purpose of producing H.sapiens. By your own admission, it is perfectly possible that your God has human attributes. In some of my logical alternatives, however, these would explain why he might have specially designed millions of non-human life forms although his only purpose was to design humans – a theory which you have “no idea” how to explain.

Your continuous unreasonable distorted complaint, especially to distorting the bolded sentence. My 'idea' is to accept that God chose to evolve humans by running the process of evolution. My 'no idea' is that I don't know why He made that choice over direct creation. Since you want me to re-read your comments, perhaps you should clear your mind by re-reading mine and clearly understanding them..