Unanswered questions (General)

by dhw, Friday, August 30, 2019, 09:50 (1700 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Yes, for me God designed all of evolution. Your version of God wants to jump right to humans. But that is not the history of the appearance of humans.

dhw: It certainly isn’t. And so if your God really did specially design every single life form, lifestyle and natural wonder, doesn’t that suggest to you that he did not start out with the one and only purpose of specially designing H. sapiens?

DAVID: Again you deny my concept of a purposeful God who knew his goal and the steps needed along the way.

I do not deny your view of a purposeful God! I deny your view that your God only had one purpose (to create H. sapiens) and that he decided to wait 3.X billion years before fulfilling his one purpose and therefore had to design billions of other life forms etc. to eat or be eaten by one another until the time he had decided to wait had been “covered”.

dhw: Your version of God chose to specially design every single life form etc. although he only wanted to design one. And your only response to this incongruity, as below, is that God’s logic is different from ours.

DAVID: It is incongruous only to you, not me. I view God as the Creator.

No problem. For the sake of our discussion, I am accepting that view.

DAVID: Your bolded phrase is a distortion of my view. See above.

You have continually told us that the creation of H. sapiens was his one and only goal right from the start. That lies at the heart of this whole discussion! If you now wish to withdraw that statement, please tell us what other goals he had that you consider were not related to the creation of H. sapiens.

dhw: […] you happen to know that your God is always in total control, has no human attributes, and above all doesn’t think or work in ways that conform to human logic. How do you know this?

DAVID: I know it from faith developed from study of the facts we know.

What possible known facts can lead to the faith that your unknowable God is in total control, has no human attributes, and does not think or work in ways that conform to human logic?

dhw: Perhaps we could end this discussion if you would stop imagining that every new discovery somehow confirms your illogical theory, but it is your amazing capacity for keeping abreast of all the discoveries that keeps this website going, and of course you must be free to comment on them. But I must also be free to comment on your comments!

DAVID: I plan to keep commenting, presenting complex designs as proof of an obvious need for a designing mind. Keep commenting to present your point of view as this website requires.

I am deeply grateful to you for presenting these designs, and I have no objection whatsoever to your using them as evidence that there must be a designing mind. This is a major factor in my refusal to espouse atheism, although there are equally compelling factors that stop me from espousing theism. My objections are to the sheer illogicality of your attempts to read your God’s mind in relation to his purpose and method, and to your baseless assumption that he has nothing in common with humans and your illogical reading is correct just because you know his logic is different from ours.