David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by David Turell , Sunday, February 09, 2020, 22:34 (1531 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Total distortion again. Read carefully as I have answered before: God chose, for his own reasons to create humans with consciousness through the process of long-term evolution. We can guess at reasons (which you constantly do in human fashion), but logically recognize they are only guesses. He didn't just 'fill time': He evolved us with a huge bush of life to provide the necessary econiches for the energy life needs to control the time it took for evolution to create us.

dhw: You have stated that he is always in full control and can achieve what he wants any way he wants. His so-called choice to create 3.X billion years’ worth of non-human species and econiches etc. is inexplicable (glossed over with “for his own reasons”) and according to you it was not evolution that created us but your in-charge God, and what do you mean by “the energy life needs to control the time it took”?

Yes, God ran evolution to produce us. Have you forgotten life has to eat?

dhw: I thought it was your God who was in control, not life, and it’s the time your God decided to take to create us, not the time evolution took…The only distortion here is yours.

Boy, you can twist!!! God obviously knew His evolution of us would take time.

DAVID: Your bold above questions why He made that choice…

dhw: It does not question why He made that choice – it questions WHETHER he made that choice, because that choice defies all human logic. I only ask why he would have made that choice in order to expose the fact that you cannot think of an answer.

It only defies human logic because you imagine God as having your human thoughts.

DAVID: Your usual humanized view is on exhibit below:

dhw: My alternative, logical explanations of life’s history are invalid because they “humanize” God by giving him such rights as to sacrifice control, to experiment, to learn as he goes along, to enjoy his creations; and yet your God probably thinks as we do and has similar thought patterns and emotions.

dhw: These are not my views: they are alternative, logical explanations, and you can find no fault with them. You even support them with your comment about his probable nature.

Logical human thoughts given to God by a human. We do not know His real thoughts.

DAVID: Perhaps. […] All God did was make us responsible for our own deeds which was His wish. Doesn't fit your purpose in bringing it up to try to say He is not in tight control of evolution…

dhw: That was not my purpose. Free will is an EXAMPLE of sacrificing control. You agree that this does not make him a “lesser” God, so why do you insist that he would NOT wish to give up control?

I JUST WROTE He knew we would have our own control over our lives, now bolded!!!

DAVID: We left the trees because we could with the changes we were given by God.

Once again we have your God fiddling with legs and pelvises and then telling our ancestors: “Now go and live on the ground” – just as apparently he did with whales: “Here are your flippers, so go and live in the water”, and to all of them: “I’ll be popping in at intervals to fiddle with other bits of your anatomy until you pre-Sapiens and pre-whales turn into Sapiens and whales – though to tell you the truth, I only really want to create H.Sapiens anyway.”

DAVID: Accept that God is a purposeful creator, and amazingly it all makes sense.

dhw: It certainly does, if you accept a purpose, method and view of God that combine into a logical explanation of the actual history. Unfortunately, yours don’t, as you acknowledge when you tell us you have no idea what his reasons might be, and we mustn’t even try to guess.

It all depends on your vision of God. Mine is purposeful, Yours, kept at a distance, is fuzzy-wuzzy. The history is totally known and is a logical presentation. Since God created that history it tells us what He did, but not his reasons why. You will never know them, nor will I. Your problem is that you do not accept the human degree of specialness as Adler and I do. Instead you quote Shapiro and large organism chauvinism. Dhw, you are better than you think you are. We are God's special goal as our magnificent brain tells us. Based on prior history of evolution before we arrived, we should not be here. Our current brain is a miracle as is life itself. You are a great example of one of those miracles.