Pointy eggs and whales (Evolution)

by GateKeeper , Friday, September 14, 2018, 10:41 (2044 days ago) @ David Turell

David: That tells me all you want is description, not cause.

G ate Keeper (GK): yes. we don't know how the universe started. Something or nothing are our choices. Its assumed, by most people that understand, everything is natural. 'supernatural, by definition, only means something natural that we don't know about yet. (my bold)

It's like having a bunch of light bulbs, let's say 100*100. A bunch of them are turning on. I don't know how the bulbs got there, I only know that a bunch of them are going on. Now we have to describe what's going on.

well, we have a lot people that feel connected to the system around them. They are describing it as bigger and life. Ok, for me, I don't do GOD things and I don't do "anti-god" because of some personal emotional need. s I am free to just describe the system as it is.

Are these people are connected to something bigger and alive? well, I start at describing the system we are in.

let's start easy?

1) we know its bigger and more complex than us.

2) Is the system life, non-life? or in-between? a measurement and a calculation would help. Along with the understanding that claims that have an explanation, mechanism, make predictions, and are repeatable are more valid than those that don't.

Note my bold in your comment. No dictionary I can find uses your definition of 'supernatural'.

su·per·nat·u·ral (so͞o′pər-năch′ər-əl)
adj.
1. Of or relating to existence outside the natural world.
2. Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces.
3. Of or relating to a deity.
4. Of or relating to the immediate exercise of divine power; miraculous.
5. Of or relating to the miraculous.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Supernatural+phenomena

Supernatural is never natural in any way, now or in the future. There must be some cause to explain why there is anything or us existing.

supernatural can only be natural to me. "outside of our natural world" is only means we don't understand it yet.

"seems to violate", well, it seems to violate our understanding because our understanding is limited. 'spooky action at a distance" and virtual particles are good examples. medical miracles are real-time examples of natural events being called "supernatural" as you are using the word.

But the biggie for me is that any event that takes place in this universe is following the rules of this universe. We just don't know what they are. Everything is "natural", meaning, all events follow the rules that this universe allow.