Pointy eggs and whales (Evolution)

by GateKeeper , Saturday, September 15, 2018, 01:12 (2044 days ago) @ Balance_Maintained

DAVID:

By "denying God", I am of course referring to naturalism, which posits that all that we know comes from nothing and nowhere by any other means than those of a purely materialistic source. i.e. No God, no designer, just random chance and fluctuating quanta produced all that we see.

that implies far more than we know. Based on what we know, "from nothing" is as valid as "from God." To me, because I have no stake in the answer, both are assumed to be "natural"

Gatekeeper: what do we do now?

We know that things are too complex, too organized, to have come about without design.

we would have to investigate what you mean by design. "have to come about." Na, not for me. I don't agree with "has to". lets see what we do know through some questions.

Do we design the blood cells in us? Did our mother design us before birth? Did the biosphere design us? Was the biosphere designed by the universe? "born", maybe the universe was born. In the same sense as the things I listed above.

I do know, if we shoot just one proton, at the right angle, into a black hole we may produce another universe. Did we design it? Or were we just a protein in a reproduce cycle?