Back to theodicy and David's theories (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by dhw, Wednesday, March 31, 2021, 11:41 (1123 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: My premises all fit following an acceptance that God runs evolution and all of history. No need to re-explain.

dhw: Your premises do not fit if you insist that your God’s only purpose was to design humans plus food supply and so he first had to design millions of life forms and food supplies that had no connection with humans.

DAVID: I believe God chose to evolve us. All of my theory follows logically after that decision.

You believe God chose to evolve – by which you mean design – EVERY species, and you have left out the fact that you believe God’s only purpose in creating life was to “evolve us” (and our food supply), and so it does NOT follow logically that before evolving/designing the only species (plus food supply) that he wanted to design, he designed millions of life forms that had no connection with us. Please stop playing these word games.

dhw: Meanwhile, you still refuse to tell us why a God who wants total control is not “human” whereas a God who wants a free-for-all is “very human”.

DAVID: I've explained before: it depends on one's view of God's personality and his purposes. A free-for-all implies a God who gives up a marked degree of control over His creations.

I know what a free-for-all implies.

DAVID: Humans as an end goal could easily be lost.

If humans were indeed his “end goal”, he could always dabble if he wanted to, but this is totally irrelevant to the question of why a totalitarian God is not human, whereas a free-for-all God is “very human”.

DAVID: Such a God is a humanized God, not a purposeful, powerful God in full control of His evolution, and who knows exactly what the outcome would be.

You are simply repeating your own preconception. I am asking why a purposeful powerful God who knows that the outcome will be H. sapiens is not human, whereas a purposeful, powerful God who knows that the outcome will be a free-for-all is “very human”.

DAVID: My God, from the point of starting this universe fine-tuned-for-life, knew what the endpoint would be.

Most human designers start out with a purpose and know what the endpoint will be. So how does this come to mean that God the know-all designer is not “human”, whereas a power that designs a mechanism that will produce an endless and unpredictable variety of life forms, developments, events etc. is “very human”?