Back to theodicy and David's theories (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by David Turell , Thursday, May 13, 2021, 19:17 (1080 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: The design argument, the name “God”, and the use of human terms are not the problem, and you know it! The problem, for the thousandth time, is the illogicality of your claim that your God designed every single life form, econiche etc. as “part of the goal of evolving [= specially designing] humans”, although 99% of those life forms etc, had no connection with humans.

DAVID: Same old tired response. 99% had to be discarded as evolution progressed. Would you like to live with herds of dinosaurs? God knows exactly what He was doing as He evolved all presently living organisms. I'm sorry you can't believe reasonable statements about God.

dhw: The question is why he would have specially designed the dinosaurs plus all the other life forms, econiches, natural wonders etc., 99% of which had no connection with humans, if his one and only aim was to design humans. I have no doubt that if God exists, the history of life is the product of what he wanted to do, and so of course he knew what he was doing. And so I suggest that what he was doing would not have been designing things that had no connection with what he wanted to do.

It is amazing you do not see your own discontinuity of thought. The bold above is my belief. Then follows your human judgement about God's thoughts/intentions: "I suggest that what he was doing would not have been designing things that had no connection with what he wanted to do". But you have just stated: "the history of life is the product of what he wanted to do". The history of evolution says we arrived after the rest of the evolutionary bush was created. You can't have it both ways. God created us just as He wanted to, despite your judgement He shouldn't have. Contrary to you, I don't judge God. I accept what He has obviously done.

Theodicy
Needle design

QUOTE: Many bacterial pathogens rely on virulent type III secretion systems (T3SSs) or injectisomes to translocate effector proteins in order to establish infection.

DAVID: Read these paragraphs slowly as your eyes roll back. Extreme complexity shown beautifully in the diagrams which should be seen to appreciate this DID NOT happen by natural chance events.

dhw: My eyes roll back at the thought of your God – who according to you does everything for “the good” – deliberately designing these beautiful pathogens so that they can inflict these horrible diseases on us.

The bacteria developed this attack system long before we arrived to fight them with a God-given giant brain. The only way this type of complexity in a living organism could appear is not naturally but by God's design.