Miscellany (General)

by David Turell , Friday, June 04, 2021, 15:45 (1058 days ago) @ dhw

Fungi helped plants

DAVID: God supplies the simple adaptation mechanisms and the organism itself decides to use when stimulated by a change.

dhw: Thank you. We are back where we started: adaptation entails processing the information coming from outside, communication between the cell communities, and then taking the decision on how the existing mechanism is to be used. All of these phases require some form of intelligence, and since the use of the existing mechanism takes place independently of your God, it can therefore only be guided by the intelligence of the cells themselves.

My view is it more like an algorithm. With this stimulation use that solution.

Neutron stars

DAVID: Your calling my theories illogical, while I point out to you your theories are logical based on the personality of your God shows you ignore my personalization of God fits my theories.

dhw: Your personalization of God offers no explanation at all for theodicy, and continues to gloss over the illogical aspects of your theory of evolution: if your purposeful God’s one and only purpose was to design humans and their food supply, why did he individually (de novo) design millions of life forms plus food supplies that had no connection with humans? We had agreed to drop this subject, since you have no explanation, but back you come with your claim that it is logical!

Why won't you even accept our views of God are so different, my theories fit my God as I see him? I find your God theories logical only if I accept your totally illogical view of God, which I don't.

Clear evidence of common descent

dhw: Evolutionary continuity would be one species developing directly from another. De novo creation of species is the opposite of continuity.

DAVID: Which makes a designer God necessary. You make my point.

dhw: So according to you, evolution is a continuous process, and your point is that God is necessary because evolution is not a continuous process – species are created de novo. To recap: I propose that evolution is continuous in the sense that all species evolve from existing species. However, it is NOT one single continuous process from bacteria to humans, but thousands and thousands of continuous processes as the bush of life expands into branches that have no connection with one another. The line from bacteria to humans is just one of these countless branches.

I explain evolution as the work of God. You describe its appearance as history.

Error Correction
QUOTES: “The same process by which those proof-correcting proteins can cut and paste DNA is precisely what enables genes to be influenced by the organism and its environment.”

"Living systems are organised at many nesting levels, from molecules to cells to organs and the whole organism. Each level influences the processes occurring at molecular levels.”

dhw: This is what I mean when I refer to an organism as being a community of cell communities which communicate with one another and interact as they respond to the environment.

And my point in the presentation is ignored: "Comment: The error control system had to be present when DNA appeared or we would not be here. The first paragraphs show this." Why?