An inventive mechanism (Evolution)
Tony: Polymorphism allows the change within kinds, not invention.
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> David: That still leaves us with pre-planning, dabbling or the inventive mechanism has pre-set plans within it.-
Programs can not invent. Period. They can implement anything within the scope of their design, but they can not create new information from whole-cloth. That is the sort of adaptation that we actually observe in nature. It is not inventive. It may move within a broad range of possible values, and different combinations of those value types might give the appearance of invention, but it is not invention.
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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.
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Balance_Maintained, 
2014-08-30, 21:27
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David Turell, 
2014-08-31, 01:02
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Balance_Maintained, 
2014-08-31, 04:08
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2014-08-31, 06:18
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2014-08-31, 08:12
- An inventive mechanism - David Turell, 2014-08-31, 16:28
 
 
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2014-08-31, 08:12
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
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Balance_Maintained, 
2014-08-31, 04:08
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-01, 13:20
- An inventive mechanism - David Turell, 2014-09-01, 18:59
 
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
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2014-08-31, 01:02
 
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Balance_Maintained, 
2014-08-30, 21:27
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-08-30, 23:36
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-01, 13:01
- An inventive mechanism - David Turell, 2014-09-01, 18:39
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-02, 05:02
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-02, 20:50
- An inventive mechanism - Balance_Maintained, 2014-09-02, 21:04
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Balance_Maintained, 
2014-09-02, 21:28
- An inventive mechanism - David Turell, 2014-09-03, 02:00
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-03, 22:00
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Balance_Maintained, 
2014-09-04, 04:44
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-05, 12:48
- An inventive mechanism - David Turell, 2014-09-05, 19:23
- An inventive mechanism - 
Balance_Maintained, 
2014-09-05, 20:42
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-06, 11:40
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-06, 19:21
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-08, 12:15
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-09, 00:59
- An inventive mechanism - David Turell, 2014-09-09, 22:10
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-10, 11:34
- An inventive mechanism - David Turell, 2014-09-10, 19:44
 
 
 
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2014-09-09, 00:59
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-08, 12:15
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Balance_Maintained, 
2014-09-06, 21:29
- An inventive mechanism - David Turell, 2014-09-06, 22:40
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-08, 12:21
- An inventive mechanism - 
Balance_Maintained, 
2014-09-08, 21:13
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-10, 11:21
- An inventive mechanism - David Turell, 2014-09-10, 19:32
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Balance_Maintained, 
2014-09-10, 21:42
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-11, 16:00
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Balance_Maintained, 
2014-09-11, 20:19
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-11, 21:53
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Balance_Maintained, 
2014-09-12, 08:15
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-12, 20:37
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Balance_Maintained, 
2014-09-13, 00:52
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-13, 16:39
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Balance_Maintained, 
2014-09-13, 21:05
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-13, 21:57
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Balance_Maintained, 
2014-09-14, 03:39
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-14, 05:55
- An inventive mechanism - Balance_Maintained, 2014-09-14, 10:35
 
 
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2014-09-14, 05:55
 
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2014-09-14, 03:39
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-13, 21:57
 
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Balance_Maintained, 
2014-09-13, 21:05
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-13, 16:39
 
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2014-09-13, 00:52
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-12, 20:37
 
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Balance_Maintained, 
2014-09-12, 08:15
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-11, 21:53
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-11, 20:27
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-11, 22:21
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-13, 09:30
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-16, 12:29
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-16, 19:09
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-17, 20:34
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David Turell, 
2014-09-17, 22:06
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dhw, 
2014-09-18, 18:22
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David Turell, 
2014-09-22, 19:50
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dhw, 
2014-09-23, 12:55
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David Turell, 
2014-09-23, 15:05
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dhw, 
2014-09-24, 15:28
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David Turell, 
2014-09-25, 19:42
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dhw, 
2014-09-26, 12:49
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David Turell, 
2014-09-26, 15:05
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dhw, 
2014-09-27, 16:50
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David Turell, 
2014-09-28, 01:56
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-28, 20:24
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-29, 00:34
- An inventive mechanism: Transposition - David Turell, 2014-09-29, 15:15
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dhw, 
2014-09-29, 16:01
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-30, 15:25
- An inventive mechanism: polyploidy? - David Turell, 2014-10-01, 15:05
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-01, 20:01
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-02, 02:32
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-02, 18:23
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-02, 19:23
- An inventive mechanism - 
GateKeeper, 
2014-10-03, 14:30
- An inventive mechanism - David Turell, 2014-10-03, 14:41
- An inventive mechanism - David Turell, 2014-10-04, 01:27
 
- An inventive mechanism: 3-color vision - David Turell, 2014-10-03, 14:45
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-03, 18:18
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-03, 20:00
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-04, 15:48
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-04, 19:47
- An inventive mechanism; Read this essay - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-05, 15:30
- An inventive mechanism; Read this essay - 
dhw, 
2014-10-06, 12:25
- An inventive mechanism; Read this essay - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-06, 23:43
- An inventive mechanism; Read this essay - 
dhw, 
2014-10-07, 16:09
- An inventive mechanism; Read this essay - David Turell, 2014-10-07, 18:31
- An inventive mechanism; Reviewing Talbott - David Turell, 2014-10-09, 02:19
 
 
- An inventive mechanism; Read this essay - 
dhw, 
2014-10-07, 16:09
- An inventive mechanism; Read this essay - David Turell, 2014-10-07, 01:46
 
- An inventive mechanism; Read this essay - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-06, 23:43
 
- An inventive mechanism; Read this essay - 
dhw, 
2014-10-06, 12:25
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-05, 21:33
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-06, 00:01
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-06, 12:16
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-06, 15:57
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-07, 15:53
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-07, 18:05
- An inventive mechanism: Tacoma bridge adddendum - David Turell, 2014-10-08, 01:42
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-08, 13:12
- An inventive mechanism: another outside discussion - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-08, 19:02
- An inventive mechanism: another outside discussion - 
dhw, 
2014-10-09, 20:15
- An inventive mechanism: another outside discussion - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-10, 02:15
- An inventive mechanism: another outside discussion - 
dhw, 
2014-10-10, 15:31
- An inventive mechanism: another outside discussion - David Turell, 2014-10-10, 17:58
 
 
- An inventive mechanism: another outside discussion - 
dhw, 
2014-10-10, 15:31
 
- An inventive mechanism: another outside discussion - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-10, 02:15
 
- An inventive mechanism: another outside discussion - 
dhw, 
2014-10-09, 20:15
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-08, 20:21
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-09, 19:39
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-10, 01:36
- An inventive mechanism: bed bugs - David Turell, 2014-10-10, 15:05
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-10, 15:26
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-10, 17:53
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-11, 12:45
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-11, 15:22
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-12, 11:41
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-12, 15:02
- An inventive mechanism - dhw, 2014-10-13, 16:41
 
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-12, 15:02
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-12, 11:41
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-11, 15:22
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-11, 12:45
- An inventive mechanism; developing multicellularity - 
David Turell, 
2014-11-06, 15:27
- An inventive mechanism; developing multicellularity - 
Balance_Maintained, 
2014-11-07, 06:42
- An inventive mechanism; developing multicellularity - 
dhw, 
2014-11-07, 13:18
- An inventive mechanism; developing multicellularity - David Turell, 2014-11-07, 16:36
 
- An inventive mechanism; developing multicellularity - 
David Turell, 
2014-11-07, 16:03
- An inventive mechanism; developing multicellularity - 
David Turell, 
2015-02-05, 15:34
- Developing multicellularity; bacterial example - 
David Turell, 
2015-05-25, 15:29
- Developing multicellularity; poor lab example - 
David Turell, 
2015-07-03, 04:57
- Developing multicellularity; from a virus? - David Turell, 2018-02-17, 14:40
 
 
- Developing multicellularity; poor lab example - 
David Turell, 
2015-07-03, 04:57
 
- Developing multicellularity; bacterial example - 
David Turell, 
2015-05-25, 15:29
 
- An inventive mechanism; developing multicellularity - 
David Turell, 
2015-02-05, 15:34
 
- An inventive mechanism; developing multicellularity - 
dhw, 
2014-11-07, 13:18
 
- An inventive mechanism; developing multicellularity - 
Balance_Maintained, 
2014-11-07, 06:42
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-10, 17:53
 
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-10, 01:36
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-09, 19:39
 
- An inventive mechanism: another outside discussion - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-08, 19:02
 
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-07, 18:05
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-07, 15:53
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-06, 15:57
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-06, 12:16
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-06, 00:01
 
- An inventive mechanism; Read this essay - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-05, 15:30
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-04, 19:47
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-04, 15:48
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-03, 20:00
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
GateKeeper, 
2014-10-03, 14:30
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-02, 19:23
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-10-02, 18:23
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-10-02, 02:32
 
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-30, 15:25
 
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-29, 00:34
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-28, 20:24
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-28, 01:56
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-27, 16:50
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-26, 15:05
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-26, 12:49
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-25, 19:42
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-24, 15:37
- An inventive mechanism - David Turell, 2014-09-25, 02:16
 
- An inventive mechanism; another adaptation - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-25, 15:11
- An inventive mechanism: nylon eating bacteria - 
David Turell, 
2014-11-10, 22:10
- An inventive mechanism: nylon eating bacteria - 
dhw, 
2014-11-11, 13:34
- An inventive mechanism: nylon eating bacteria - David Turell, 2014-11-11, 14:00
 
 
- An inventive mechanism: nylon eating bacteria - 
dhw, 
2014-11-11, 13:34
 
- An inventive mechanism: nylon eating bacteria - 
David Turell, 
2014-11-10, 22:10
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-24, 15:28
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-23, 15:05
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-23, 12:55
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-22, 19:50
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-18, 18:22
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-17, 22:06
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-17, 20:34
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-16, 19:09
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-16, 12:29
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-13, 09:30
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-11, 22:21
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
Balance_Maintained, 
2014-09-11, 20:19
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-11, 16:00
 
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-10, 11:21
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
Balance_Maintained, 
2014-09-08, 21:13
 
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-06, 19:21
- An inventive mechanism - David Turell, 2014-09-06, 15:32
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-06, 11:40
 
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-05, 12:48
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-04, 06:11
- An inventive mechanism - dhw, 2014-09-05, 12:37
 
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
Balance_Maintained, 
2014-09-04, 04:44
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
David Turell, 
2014-09-03, 02:18
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
David Turell, 
2014-11-28, 15:41
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
dhw, 
2014-11-29, 11:57
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
David Turell, 
2014-11-29, 15:49
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
dhw, 
2014-11-30, 19:52
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
David Turell, 
2014-12-01, 00:58
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
dhw, 
2014-12-01, 17:28
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
David Turell, 
2014-12-02, 17:40
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
dhw, 
2014-12-03, 18:00
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
David Turell, 
2014-12-03, 22:17
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
dhw, 
2014-12-04, 17:49
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
David Turell, 
2016-11-27, 15:23
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
dhw, 
2016-11-29, 09:03
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
David Turell, 
2016-11-29, 19:37
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
dhw, 
2016-11-30, 12:23
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
David Turell, 
2016-11-30, 15:38
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
dhw, 
2016-12-01, 13:13
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
David Turell, 
2016-12-01, 19:09
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
dhw, 
2016-12-02, 10:37
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
David Turell, 
2016-12-03, 00:32
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA 'Shapiro change' - David Turell, 2021-01-22, 23:29
 
 
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
David Turell, 
2016-12-03, 00:32
 
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
dhw, 
2016-12-02, 10:37
 
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
David Turell, 
2016-12-01, 19:09
 
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
dhw, 
2016-12-01, 13:13
 
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
David Turell, 
2016-11-30, 15:38
 
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
dhw, 
2016-11-30, 12:23
 
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
David Turell, 
2016-11-29, 19:37
 
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
dhw, 
2016-11-29, 09:03
 
- An inventive mechanism: A DNA  'Shapiro change' - 
David Turell, 
2016-11-27, 15:23
 
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
dhw, 
2014-12-04, 17:49
 
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
David Turell, 
2014-12-03, 22:17
 
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
dhw, 
2014-12-03, 18:00
 
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
David Turell, 
2014-12-02, 17:40
 
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
dhw, 
2014-12-01, 17:28
 
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
David Turell, 
2014-12-01, 00:58
 
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
dhw, 
2014-11-30, 19:52
 
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
David Turell, 
2014-11-29, 15:49
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - David Turell, 2014-12-01, 15:29
 
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
dhw, 
2014-11-29, 11:57
 
- An inventive mechanism: role of horizontal gene transfer - 
David Turell, 
2014-11-28, 15:41
 
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-02, 20:50
 
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-09-01, 13:01
 
- An inventive mechanism - 
dhw, 
2014-08-30, 12:29
