Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 16:34 (750 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Bold is my view but in your biased way: Evolution of humans was a design method God used to arrive at His goal.

dhw: If he exists, then evolution of ALL life forms including humans and all those life forms that did not lead to humans was his design method. According to you, his “goal” for the other life forms was for them to eat one another (“food for all”)! Nothing to do with “preparation” for us.

The first part of your thought is correct. Without food evolutionary 'preparation' stops.

DAVID: Just take evolution at face value. Simple to complex. Everything is connected from Archaea to now. Underlying basic biochemistry in Archaea to very complex biochemistry in specialized organs now. Only other alternative is direct creation, which is not supported by history.

dhw: Of course it’s not, and that is the big question: if your God’s only goal was us and our food, WHY did he not design us and our food directly?

Ask Him!!! He made a choice and did not announce why!

dhw: Having no choice limits his powers. An alternative is that perhaps your theory is wrong, and there are logical explanations for his choice.

Use your logic and inform us!

dhw: Illogical: trilobites, brontosauruses and the duckbilled platypus are all biochemical, and therefore they were all specially designed as preparation for us and our food???

Food for all on the evolutionary way to us.

DAVID: No!!! Your bias again. God is not human. He is a pure creator, who knows exactly what He wishes to create. His own emotional reactions, if any exist, are secondary and like ours.

dhw: I have never claimed that he is human, or that he did NOT create what he wished to create. You believe he enjoys creating and is interested in what he creates. How does that come to mean that he could not possibly have done his creating BECAUSE he wished to create things he could watch with interest?

Same comment as above.

DAVID: God never requires experimentation. He designs directly.

dhw: You have just agreed that he did NOT design directly: the “only other alternative is direct creation, which is not supported by history”. You can’t explain it. Experimentation can.

Evolution by God was not experimentation but carefully planned evolution

dhw: You harp on about the existing system, and I ask why he chose it. You guess that he couldn’t avoid the “errors” (which makes him less than all-powerful), whereas I propose that he created what he wanted to create: a system in which the components were free to find their own ways of surviving.

I don't harp on it, I defend it. As for your distortion in bold, God chose the only system that would work and knew errors were probable because of the high-speed requirement. Very accurate editing systems He designed work wonderfully watching over trillions of reactions per nanosecond. It is a wonder and you despise it.

dhw: 7)5) and 6) were the only systems that would work, and so he had no choice, although he chose to design them that way.

This was a reference to your self-contradictions concerning whether or not your God had a choice.

God designed the only system that would work, NO choice involved