Back to David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, August 29, 2020, 18:08 (1328 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: But you said it meant that “all future organism models might be present in the original DNA/genome”,... Perhaps you could explain what you meant by “models”?

DAVID: Codes for new parts. Not models.

dhw: Yes, I thought models might be a bit bulky for those poor little cells.... What a pity they didn’t also contain corrections for “errors” like cancer, but I guess you have to draw the line somewhere.

The original DNA also contained an amazing editing system you keep ignoring, and then denigrating as really useless.

Under “Magic embryology”
DAVID: All of us are inhabited by friendly microbiomes that are integrated with the genetic systems in a cooperative effort. This is as finely tuned as any ecosystem and really is one. As noted before, this is why bacteria are still around, as necessary. Now we can include viruses and fungi. No mistakes here.

dhw: On this we can agree. It was Lynn Margulis who drew attention to cooperation as a key element of evolution (whereas earlier evolutionists tended to emphasize competition). She also championed cellular intelligence. My selected quotes take it for granted that organisms develop in response to changing conditions. I wonder how many scientists believe that God changed the pre-whale’s legs into fins BEFORE it entered the water.

DAVID: Seduction by a simplistic Darwin theory to which they twist and turn in order to make it fit a reality it does not fit destroys logical attempts at scientific thought. This is why Behe is so disruptive.

dhw: How can you possibly argue that your God turning legs into fins before pre-whales entered the water is more logical, more scientific and more of a fit with reality than legs adapting to life in the water and in due course turning into fins?

You constantly forget the gaps between whale species fossils. Where are the itty-bitty modified forms to fit your suggestion?

DAVID (under “Immunity”): we use bacterial CRISPR enzyme to edit DNA, a perversion of its use in life, in which it is used to chop up enemy DNA's. But the real consideration is when does this type of immunity appear in relation to the origin of the organism? And it obviously has to be designed simultaneously into the first appearance of each new species.

dhw: Once again you are confusing yourself by conflating evolution and direct design. For those of us who believe in common descent, each new organism/species will have inherited characteristics and processes, including certain forms of immunity, from its ancestors. Immunity, in my view, has to be an on-going process as the cells react to new threats. The designer of the mechanism (I call it cellular intelligence) which works out solutions to new problems as they arise may be your God.

I'm not confused by my approach to God designing a process that we interpret as evolution. It is your confusion about my beliefs, as usual