Back to David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections (Evolution)

by dhw, Monday, September 07, 2020, 14:32 (1327 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: We know He cannot have total control over molecules that are free to make mistakes. As for this 'problem' system I firmly believe it is the only one He could create. We have discussed the dangerous events in the universe that might affect us. I accept that our God created the best systems that could be created, and there are no others possible in a quantum based reality.

dhw: How do you know what is possible in a quantum-based reality which nobody can understand? On Friday you wrote; “We do not know if any other system is available for use in life”. It’s your belief that this is the only possible one. In any case, that does not exclude the possibility that this system is precisely the system your God WANTED. You admit that molecules are free to “make mistakes”, and those “mistakes” have resulted in diseases which your God cannot control. But if molecules are free to do their own thing and turn nasty, maybe God also gave molecules the freedom to be nice and to combat the nastiness. Immunity, after all, is an ongoing process – new diseases demand new defences. And maybe this “freedom” is the key to how the whole of evolution has developed.

DAVID: What you do not understand about biochemistry is the molecules are free to make mistakes, and there is no way to completely control them. God did not choose to give them freedom in our living system.

I have understood perfectly that molecules are free to make mistakes. What you do not understand is that your God’s intentions have nothing to do with biochemistry. It is not a biochemical fact that your God did not CHOOSE to give them their freedom! And you have not given me a single reason why it is not possible for your God to have deliberately CHOSEN to design this system with all its “errors” (as opposed to designing a system with errors he did not want to design).

DAVID: The system itself of high speed reactions forced by enzymes requires that the molecules fold as instructed moment by moment (in pico-seconds) and mistakes must be edited out, which they generally are or we would not live as long we do.

If God exists he designed a system that produces errors which, according to you, cause ageing and death – which he required – and diseases which he did not require but which he is/was incapable of “editing”, and so he left it to us humans to find a way of doing so. These errors are a problem for you, and so you keep trying to minimize them, although as a doctor you yourself spent a lifetime trying to do what God could not do!

dhw: … your theory of evolutionary and disease-causing “errors” has already resulted in confusion, as described above, and now we have unnecessary material (including improperly formed molecules) as another category of "error", which raises the questions I’ve asked above. I think the term “errors” is causing us nothing but trouble.

DAVID: It is your trouble in understanding what I am trying to present. Errors exist, cannot be ignored.

It is you who keep trying to ignore the errors! In your confusion, you have now told us that evolutionary errors changed the course of evolution but oops, actually, no, they were insignificant “slight variations”. And errors causing disease only amount to 0.000001% of the system so we should ignore them and focus on the successes. Now we have garbage errors, which means that God has organized a means of getting rid of whatever unnecessary bits and pieces resulted from the system as he designed it. What other mess-ups will you find in his design, I wonder. I did actually suggest that excess brain cells may have been an “error” on his part, since you thought he created them, but if I remember rightly you pooh-poohed that idea because God is always in total control (except, of course, when he’s not). Yes, I do have trouble understanding what you are trying to present, and so do you, which is why I have proposed that you drop the subject.