David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections II (Evolution)

by David Turell , Monday, November 02, 2020, 17:17 (1270 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: And I view it as God's goal, which is what you are denying.

dhw: What does your “it” refer to? Yes, I deny that the brontosaurus could have been directly designed as part of your God’s goal of directly designing humans. You have agreed that there is “no direct connection”. And yes, I deny that 3.8 billion years’ worth of organisms, 99% of which are extinct, were designed to be food supplies for humans. You have agreed that “extinct life plays no role in current time.” That should be the end of the discussion! The rest is pure repetition.

'It' is God's goal of humans and a huge food supply.

DAVID: It is simple. I believe God ran/designed all of evolution after He invented life. You don't.

dhw: That is only one part of your belief, which is that he designed EVERY life form as “part of the goal of evolving [= directly designing] humans”, and he designed “the ENTIRE bush of life for our food supply.” Omitting the illogical premises is your way of dodging the issue. Please stop it.

Your illogical is not my illogical. I see God as the designer of everything. You don't. I can turn around and call your lack of beliefs illogical. Makes sense to me

DAVID: How do you know how confined God's desires were??? You are now declaring you know exactly what God wanted, after you have said previously, if God is in charge, of course, He can do as her wishes!!! God evolved humans from first life, bacteria, as designer of life in my view.

dhw: Round and round. It’s YOU who confine God’s desires!!! Yet again: You claim every life form in history was designed as part of his goal to design humans, and every econiche in life’s history was designed to feed humans!!! But you also agree that the brontosaurus had no direct connection with humans, and “extinct life plays no role in current time.” We agree that ALL species descend/descended from bacteria. How does that prove that he directly designed EVERY LIFE FORM in order to directly design humans???

We both know there is no proof, but based on the evidence I believe beyond a reasonable doubt God designed our reality, which includes evolution of humans.

dhw: […] If God exists, his plan clearly wasn’t solely to directly design H. sapiens and his food supply.

DAVID: Not solely of course. The giant bush had to be created concurrently with creating humans in charge of the Earth. Humans were the final planned goal.

dhw: I keep asking what other goal your God may have had, and you keep coming come back to humans being his goal. You said that the ENTIRE bush was designed for our food supply. If you are now saying that only the current bush was designed for our food supply, then you agree that your God did NOT design the ENTIRE bush of life for our food supply.

Currently we and the necessary bush exist. Again you are splitting off the present from past evolution. Bushes for food supply existed in the past. Remember continuum.

DAVID: You continue to ignore my point that the current biological system is the only system that will work, and for success the only one He could choose to design. The molecules must be free to react with others or change shape at fantastic speeds in micro-seconds.

dhw: We have no idea if that is the only possible way to create life, but even if it is, you have him creating back-ups in a vain attempt to correct the “errors”, and I have him wanting the “errors”. Which version makes him weaker?

DAVID: It all depends on interpretation of the editing systems. They are not in vain. Life processes at extremely high speed are over 99% effective. Your usual sour view of the facts to diminish God's efforts.

dhw: There’s no problem with those parts of the system that work. It’s the diseases – or uncorrected “errors” – that are the problem, which is why you tell us that cancer, for instance, is only 0.000001% of a problem, and so we should ignore it.

dhw: I have proposed that the creative activity is performed by intelligent cells! […] It’s perfectly logical that changing conditions should require changing behaviours and these may require changing structures.

DAVID: Great logic, but no sense of how it can happen naturally!!!

dhw: Through intelligent cells (now bolded), which may have been designed by your God.

DAVID: If they are innately intelligent, an unknown. In my view God gave them intelligent instructions.

dhw: You agreed it is logical that changing conditions require changing behaviours and these may require changing structures, and you asked how it could happen “naturally”, by which you mean without God. I have told you: by autonomous cellular intelligence, but this may have been originally designed by your God.

We are left with the appearance of cells acting intelligently. I have God supplying the intelligent instructions and you agree possibly and then trail off into suppositions.