Evolution and humans: Neanderthal lungs larger (Evolution)

by David Turell @, Monday, November 05, 2018, 20:41 (223 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: Thank you for your answer: your God was apparently experimenting. This clearly means that he didn’t know what he wanted, or he didn’t know how to get what he wanted. We have discussed it before, but I’m happy to re-open this field of speculation. See below.

DAVID: As for God knowing what He wants, you've forgotten that God used evolution to produce all the results we see.

dhw: If your God exists, I am happy with this. The result that we see is an ever changing spectacle of life forms extant and extinct, which suggests to me that your God wanted an ever changing spectacle of life forms extant and extinct.

As before, purposefully useful for balance of nature.


DAVID: If God is so powerful that He could make a universe uniquely suited for life and then start life, it might seem He could have just produced H. sapiens right off the bat, but He didn't. He chose to evolve organisms and we are stuck with that observation, and have no way of questioning His motives in that choice, although you love to try and find human reasoning in Him.

dhw: As usual, if your hypothesis makes no sense to you, you insist that it is correct and we are “stuck” with it. No, we are not. It is just you who are “stuck”. It is perfectly possible that your God has reasons that make perfect sense, as you admit below! You yourself offered experimentation as an explanation for all the different species of human!

My hypothesis makes perfect sense. It is obvious God chose to use evolution to create the organisms he wanted to appear. I can only guess at God's motives when you ask about them, and not be in any way sure of the answer.


dhw: I agree that your view of God (if he exists) as an experimenter who either doesn’t know what he wants, or does know but can’t work out how to get it, is a logical deduction. But it is equally logical to suggest that your God (if he exists), does know what he wants and does know how to get it, and what he wants is the ever changing spectacle of different life forms, as suggested by the whole history of evolution.

DAVID: I agree that your point does explain why God used diversity evolved from evolution.

dhw: So why must we “stick” to your inexplicable and unreasonable hypothesis?

Because diversity supplies the balance of nature necessary for the survival of life, a point repeated over and over.


dhw: Ah well, we now have your God specially preprogramming or dabbling every single species, lifestyle and natural wonder, including 50,000 different webs for 50,000 different econiches. As you have agreed, this has nothing to do with your belief that his purpose was to produce the brain and body of Homo sapiens, so what do you think was his purpose in specially designing 50,000 different webs for 50,000 different econiches?

DAVID: Same old answer which you surely expect: required diverse balance of nature to support the energy needs of continuing life.

dhw: Let me really stick my neck out. I truly believe that life would have continued even if there were not 50,000 different types of spider web. And I truly believe that H. sapiens would have evolved and would continue to exist if there were only a dozen webs, or no spiders at all, or even..wait for it...no weaverbird’s nest! Are you shocked?

No. Not shocked. The operation of an evolutionary system allows experimentation in many directions. We have only one result to study, but I can imagine others leading to H. sapiens, with different diverse organisms in a different sets of balances of nature.


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