Cell response to electric field (Introduction)

by David Turell , Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 16:04 (4037 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: You keep asking where in the cell my "intelligent energy" is located. Where is it located? You believe in a "soul" which returns after death to the "universal intelligent energy". Where in the body is it located?-The universe is composed at its base of a quantum mechanical network of communicating particles. The consciousness that survives NDE's appears to show that consciousness is part of that network. Our consciousness is part of the universal conscousness and all of it is at the quantum level, behind the wall of uncertainty. All at an energy level, no material parts.
 
> dhw: So God preprogrammed the first living organisms in such a way that through zillions of generations they would pass on the ability to invent DNA automatically, when millions of years later by sheer good fortune environmental conditions triggered his heritable DNA-inventing programme. [...] In fact, every single innovation was preprogrammed right from the start to be triggered by a lucky break in the weather. -Don't turn up your nose at this story. You have over-emphasized preprogramming, but your description is quite good.
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> DAVID: I have preserved this paragraph of yours because with a few misconceptions it is right on! The bolded area must be corrected. Evolution is not fully pre-programmed.
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> dhw:. How does an automaton create something so complex as a fly-catching mechanism without being programmed and without having an inventive intelligence of its own?-You are commenting from incredulity. The bush of life and my multiple entries of natures wonders fully demonstrate how inventive life is when its DNA contains the provided intelligent information from God.-> 
> DAVID: The preprogramming in the first sentence, italicised, is correct. DNA has been given the ability to invent. We now call that aspect epigenetics, but it not yet fully understood or appreciated.
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> dhw: According to you, pre-DNA organisms were preprogrammed to invent DNA, which in turn was preprogrammed to invent some innovations but not others. Hardly surprising that it's not yet fully understood! At least you agree that your God's preprogramming relied on the luck of climate change. -
You are again correct. Some of the bush of life is the result of inventiveness from chance changes in environment. The responses of life are not by chance. DNA is programmed to respond and solve problems of how to stay alive.
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> DAVID: But as you so clearly point out, inventions like the flycatcher are quite striking in their inventiveness, but they are not a real contribution to the mainline of evolution, just part of the bush. The main thrust of evolution is to evolve humans. .
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> dhw: So any invention that was not related to the human "mainline" was a byproduct which invented itself because it wasn't preprogrammed, but didn't invent itself because it had no "intelligence" of its own. Dinosaurs, then, were by-products which non-invented themselves automatically, and bonobos were preprogrammed. All somewhat confusing.-Yes, you are confused. Bonobos are part of the bush. There were four types of humans. We had a bush of our own. Life was obviously meant to explode in many directions
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> dhw: You rightly point out that neither bacteria nor primates had any need to evolve, and this is clear evidence of "intelligence" at work. ..... If we drop the anthropocentric hypothesis, they all fit in with the higgledy-piggledy bush, as do materialistic chance and my panpsychist evolution of "intelligences" within matter, -
All well and good, but there is no scientific evidence of your panpsychic energy except in your brain.
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> DAVID: Conclusion: DNA was present in the very first fully developed living prokaryotes, single-celled and still here, the largest bio-mass on Earth. Inventive DNA was programmed to respond very cleverly to challenges creating evolutionary advances, in large jumps, not Darwin's gradualism. We still don't understand the jumps...
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> dhw: Your explanation is that some jumps were preplanned billions of years in advance, and others just sort of happened, and they all depended on chance environmental changes. -I know that species appear out of thin air, but I haven't stated they were pre-planned. I don't think that whales were pre-planned. The bush of life invented them. It is the inventiveness of DNA you keep ignoring. 
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> dhw: Your theory is that evolution was only partly controlled by your God, so please tell us how to differentiate between what was and wasn't controlled, -
Frankly, I don't know the degree of God's control. I know He placed extremely complex information into DNA (using that term for the whole genome). And as I keep stating, the resulting very inventive life keep inventing some amazing out- comes.
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> DAVID: I am a good predictor. In my last book I predicted the newly discovered complexity of the genome, and said it will prove God beyond a reasonable doubt. Science is doing that now and will continue into the future.
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> dhw:You are a good advocate for the David Turell Guide to Self-Confidence. And with all these huge gaps and contradictions in your hypothesis, I have to agree 100% with the incontrovertible truth contained in your statement prior to the above: "We still have much to learn".-I only work with what I see and try to apply some underlying structure to it.