Innovation; Just for dhw (Introduction)

by David Turell , Monday, December 21, 2015, 00:26 (3060 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Our difference is I assume intelligence is eternal and always existed in/as God. You can't/won't do that. Intelligence CANNOT appear from inorganic matter as life starts, and initial life needs intelligent instructions/information.
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> dhw: As usual, you return to the origin of life and intelligence, ignoring the very words you quote: “...your God may have invented the mechanism. The dispute is over how evolution works...”-But I can't ignore the origin of life setting the stage for the evolution of life.
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> Dhw: Perhaps you cannot even contemplate this hypothesis because it would undermine your personal reading of your God's mind and purpose. 
> DAVID: I've agreed He can give them the ability to make 'evolutionary decisions', only I add some guideline limits in order to be sure humans arrive. You don't like that limitation. Under your system it should advance helter-skelter and it is possible humans might never arrive. I think the advances of evolution are directed toward us as the definite endpoint.
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> dhw: 3). My ”system” does not say evolution “should” advance helter-skelter (or higgledy-piggledy); it is based on the observation that evolution HAS advanced that way, as you finally admit under “Red Deer Cave people”:
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> David: “The Cambrian was a shotgun mechanism going off in all directions and produced the helter-skelter bush of animal life.”
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> dhw: I could hardly have expressed it better myself. You have consistently claimed all the innovations, lifestyles and wonders were preprogrammed or directly invented by your God for the sake of humans. The “helter-skelter” bush of animal life can hardly be called “guided”, and therefore entails sheer chance (which we both reject) or autonomous, inventive intelligence.-Our view still differs. The Cambrian started 37 phyla. This provides for balance of nature, about which you seem to deny the importance of a food source for everyone.-> 
> DAVID (same post): “This raises a consideration you will accept: perhaps God had an endpoint in humans, but had to develop it through evolutionary experimentation since he is a 'process type' of God, not as totally all-powerful as religions like to represent. ” 
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> dhw: Thank you for offering me my own hypothesis 3), which I offered to you in my post of 11 December under “A new synthesis”: “God says: ”I wanner make humans, but I dunno how to do it.” (Special status but the mechanism runs free, and God has a dabble here and there, like when humans turn out to be dinosaurs.)” Your response to this on 12 December was: ”I assume, if God is guiding evolution, He knows everything.” It's good to see that you are now prepared to reconsider your assumptions.-Yes, I can reconsider, with all the hominins turning up. I always reconsider as new findings appear.