Innovation (Introduction)

by David Turell , Thursday, May 02, 2013, 14:59 (4022 days ago) @ dhw


> DAVID: I've said just the opposite: evolution appears to be a combination of automatic responses to challenges and dabbling. The Cambrian is a major dabble.
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> dhw:The opposite would be that they WERE preprogrammed. So let's have a straight answer: do you still believe that your God planned and preprogrammed the human branch of the evolutionary bush from the very start? -Simply, yes. But thre was C ambrian dabbling along the way.
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> DAVID: Please review the human tree: Luci, Ardi, Sediba, etc. placed all over Africa developing in all the disparate climates. The apes stayed apes.
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> dhw: Ardi and Lucy were found in Ethiopia, Sediba in South Africa, and they range from about 4.4 to 2 million years old. How does this prove that each of them didn't evolve locally in an environment that became unsuitable for tree-dwelling apes? Or that they hadn't migrated from ex-ape to ape country?-Climate change is slow, over generations. If the early humanoids wanted trees they could have stayed with trees.
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> DAVID: Common primate to human ancestry, yes. Darwin inferred the savages were inferior which led to support for Eugenics.
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> dhw:This is a complete non sequitur and a disgraceful distortion of Darwin's views, which I corrected in my post of 10 November 2012 at 13.31 under "Darwin and atheism". On the same day you wrote: "Thank you for this interpretation. I am educated." Not for long, it seems!- Sorry, Just as you have not read books I refer to, I've not read Descent of Man, but keep running into references which infer Eugenics used Darwin for justification.-> 
> DAVID: At least accept that there must be a First Cause, by necessity, in some form, in any chain or cause and effect, or don't you believe that either? Why is there anything? We are here. There must be a cause. Perhaps you would like to return to the 'eternal universe theory' of pre-Einstein days.
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> dhw: I've always accepted that there must be a First Cause, but the three I've listed, including your own, are equally nebulous. As regards an "eternal universe", all three First Causes ... big bang or no big bang ... are eternal including yours, so in that sense BBella's All That Is is eternal, whether you call it God, energy, or the universe.-So we have a nebulous first cause, and yours must remain an amormphous blob of energy which 'luckily' figures its way to our current reality. There is a current wacky paper which doesn't need natural selection for evolution. That should help you.:-http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130426115612.htm