Cell response to electric field (Introduction)

by dhw, Friday, April 26, 2013, 14:46 (4028 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: However, the idea that non-conscious energy "awakens" within matter and then guides materials to form the "intelligent cell" is as far beyond my credulity as chance doing the same job or first-cause energy being eternally, infinitely and inexplicably self-aware.-DAVID: Thank you. We can stop this debate here, since you find none of the above acceptable, and there is nothing else to consider.-I'm happy to do so, but since the concept of the "intelligent cell" still seems to me to offer a far more credible explanation of the evolutionary process than your own, I need to answer your post under "Energy from AtP", and especially your comment below: "No original thought necessary."-DAVID: When AtP changes to AdP energy is released in phosphate to the cell to power any functions needed. A nanomachine operating automatically. :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI8m6o0gXDY&feature=player_embedded
No original thought necessary.-Our human organs are composed of cellular "nanomachines", but we do not hesitate to acknowledge that humans are "intelligent".
 
My question, as ever, concerns how these organs were first formed ... i.e. INNOVATION. Cells combined in a new, meaningful, functional and INVENTIVE way, but we don't know how. Your own argument has been that they were preprogrammed to react automatically to environmental change, but unless your God kept intervening or they were preprogrammed right from the start to produce functioning organs that had never existed before, I'm arguing that there has to be an inventive intelligence at work within them. (How it got there is open to question.) And so I'm suggesting that cells are microscopic bodies like ours, and may have microscopic minds ... not, of course, with our breadth and depth of self-awareness, but nevertheless capable of thought and invention, in the manner described by the article on bacteria. At a stroke, this solves many of the problems thrown up by Darwinian evolution (out go random mutations, gradualism, the fossil gap). In this post and elsewhere you have focused on automatons within the cell, but we do not judge whether a human is intelligent by pointing out that his liver functions automatically. Similarly, we should not judge whether a cell is intelligent by pointing at the automatic "nanomachines" that keep it alive.