Cell response to electric field (Introduction)

by David Turell , Monday, April 22, 2013, 16:03 (4032 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: The anthropocentric one depends a) on random changes in the environment (a strange form of preplanning), and (b) on innovations that humans share with countless species which you say were NOT preprogrammed. And so you have no way of judging whether anything at all was preprogrammed. As for rapidity, ALL innovations must work rapidly if they are to survive. Hence your (in my view justified) emphasis on evolutionary jumps.-Your pargraph is filled with strange assumptions. I specifically reject the idea that climate change took the hominins out of trees. The assumption that the appearance of savannah brought them out of trees has been recently questioned. And part of my theory is the pattern of behavior of the primates they left behind, who remained in the trees to this day! And as for punctuated equilibrium, it is simply a fact. -
> dhw:Obviously. We are discussing whether it [the genome] IS completely automatic.-> DAVID: Agreed and it is:
> See this video just entered into the forum:
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> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/10335610/the_origin_of_life_requires_intelligence_kirk_du... 
> dhw:I couldn't find out how to play it (I think you have to subscribe). But even if the video shows that life requires intelligence, does it prove your intelligent God did not invent a mechanism that has its OWN inventive intelligence (i.e. is not an automaton)? -Do I have to buy a new computer for you? The link works just fine on my four-year-old Dell, and it is a replica of my assertion that the genome is automatic, run by intelligent code. There is no subscription, just a You tube like website.-> dhw: When you say repeatedly that the cell IS an automaton, what you really mean is that you believe it is an automaton,..... -Not true! The science of evolution expressly shows that the genome is an automaton. The atheists depend on this viewpoint. Otherwise they have to identify the source of the intelligent information in the code. The code simply invented itself by chance(!), no source (God) of intelligent information required.-
> Under "Max Planck":
> M.P.: I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.-> dhw: I agree that consciousness is fundamental. Whether matter derives from consciousness or consciousness derives from matter is one of the great divides between theists and atheists.........The source of consciousness is the key.-> DAVID: Be careful. Your thoughts are creeping close to mine!-> dhw:Consciousness is not matter,but it must relate to energy in some way. And energy is at the base all there is......And so inevitably my thoughts creep in all directions, including yours.-I am proud of your thought creep. Your brain is plastic, not cemented like the atheists. We have been arguing for five years and I have you accepting much of my thoughts. Not all I admit. But I will get you there.