Innovation (Introduction)

by BBella , Tuesday, May 07, 2013, 00:37 (4018 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: My version of panpsychism certainly has consciousness "affecting cells", but not "reaching into cells": the consciousness is already within cells (or in the genome which is within cells). Whereas on the contrary, your own brand of "intelligent energy", i.e. God, has to reach into cells whenever he starts dabbling!
> 
>[david] Only for course corrections.
> > 
> > dhw: [...] intelligent energy is the force within materials that enables organisms to innovate. Your God is first-cause energy which has been intelligent for ever and ever, so define him and it! The concept I'm proposing also implies structure, but instead of this being imposed from outside by a single inventor, it is created from within.
> 
>[david] Yes God is OUTside, but He created the INside to adapt all by itself. We don't need your concept, because it did not self-start. God started everything. Unless you'd like to imply that your concept began itself, somehow?-David, isn't the pantheist way/spinoza is that God is within and without all that is? That creation is created from God's own essence and is God? If so, why would God need to tinker/tweak/dabble from without? God is all things, why not just tinker from within that which needed tweaking?