Innovation (Introduction)

by David Turell , Monday, May 20, 2013, 22:07 (4004 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: I can't see any difference between direct handling and dabbling. Either God intervenes or he doesn't. If you believe innovations/species are "created" de novo by your God's intervention, instead of your God's mechanism inventing them de novo, you are a creationist. ...... A creationist evolutionist seems to me like a contradiction in terms.-No contradiction at all. My view is, as expressed before, is that the genome has the capacity, provided by God, for major adaptation. I sense that God has to intervene for major jumps foward in speciation. Sure that is a form of creationism, obviously; but my variation on the creation theme is that God lets adapability go as far as it can before His tweaking if necessary. God works through an evolutionary process. He did the same thing with the Universe and the Earth. They both went through evolutionary processes.-See my recent post about a new theory: Monday, May 20, 2013, 14:46
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> dhw: I note your avoidance of the exact parallels between your nebulous God theory and my nebulous panpsychist theory! Meanwhile, round and round we go...I have told you many times that my first cause is the same as yours: eternal energy, which cannot have a beginning. But instead of that energy SOMEHOW being aware of itself and saying: "I'm gonna go bang", it just goes bang.-Vast difference between us. My first cause is organized thinking quantum energy, full of well-thought-out plans. Yours has to crank out changes by some mysterious method to get to the pint that a coherent result/ results can be obtained. I have a clearly defined starting point, with everything making sense after accepting that starting point. Yes I know there has to be the famous leap at first, but everyting is so logical after that. Your approach stays higgily/piggily from beginning to end.-
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> dhw: Let me repeat that I too find the idea weird ... but no more weird than first cause energy SOMEHOW being eternally aware of itself...-We live in an organized universe, on an organized Earth with organized living biology, and you want it all to start disorganized at first cause. What rules does your glob of energy follow at its very beginning, or hasn't it made up any as yet? You can only have it one of two ways, organized or disorganized, or please describe a middle ground.