Innovation (Introduction)

by David Turell , Sunday, May 05, 2013, 22:07 (4019 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: Fine, but dabbling is the opposite of preprogramming.-Only if preprogramming is perfect, but as you note below a lot can go on simultaneously. The universe is still forming, as is the Earth, so unless God preprogrammed everything there will be boggles. A volcano erupts and weather changes; continents drift, organisms adapt, but maybe sort of. Remember I assume a God who is not perfect and not omni-everything.
 
> dhw: "we don't know how species appear. Any proposal is pure supposition." One speculation is that localized environmental changes made it impossible or undesirable for our ancestors to go on living in trees, whereas in other areas during the same geological periods apes were able to continue their tree-living existence. Meanwhile, you have not answered my own question to you: "What is your alternative? That God decided to dabble with a few chosen apes in a few chosen places over a few million years?" -All apes lived together in the beginning of apedom. We were apes also. Then we descended and they didn't. Your point must be: :"Only our ancestors had a climate change and were forced to change"? You are evading my point, by a proposition of having all the apes separate into different groups and different climates before we descended. Not very likely. The early hominins lived right beside the apes as they developed and then avoided contact. No other just-so story makes any sense.
 
> dhw: I have always accepted that a first cause of some type started everything. Nothing can come from nothing. But that doesn't make our three concepts any the more believable. That's why your choice ultimately depends on faith.
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> DAVID: We agree on first choice [sic], but you will accept nothing to have a belief in. Fair enough. The picket fence forever!
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> dhw: (You meant first cause ... we certainly don't agree on first choice!) Forever? Probably. But I'm having fun up here.-My typing is terrible.