Innovation (Introduction)

by David Turell , Thursday, May 16, 2013, 18:20 (4008 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: We agree that the First Cause is energy. Your personal pipe dream is that energy has SOMEHOW always been conscious of itself and able to plan, create and manipulate matter at will. "How" is of no interest to you. My alternative pipe dream is that energy unconsciously transmuted itself into matter, and since matter is always changing, the energy within it SOMEHOW became aware of change.-A fair description of our differences.- 
> dhw:We have long since agreed that there is a first cause: yours is conscious, whereas my alternative is not. You cannot see intelligence inventing itself, and yet you can see intelligence that was never invented. I can't see either, but my panpsychist version does not invent itself, as I have explained above.-Again, a fair description of differences.-> 
> dhw: As regards the "bush of life", how do you know it would not have had the same shape, whether God dabbled, or a panpsychist or God-invented intelligent genome did its own thing? -Because of the prolific ablity to adapt, organisms could head off in any direction. Life as designed is very inventive. See natures wonders in the forum. Therefore, the bush will always be the result.